BIDEN SPEAKS LIVE TO NATION

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Give me a break. If the subject was the mating cycle of mosquitoes your side would bring up Trump in the first reply. You can prove you're not a hypocrite by also calling them out.
     
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    yes I see why it's significant... Biden being a zombie and all
     
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    You always came off as a Biden supporter so I'm not surprised you like what he is offering.

    It's what the Democrats don't tell you about is what you should be most worried about.

    They are evil. Nothing they say changes that.
     
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    I was going to clear-up your erroneous impression from, "always," by telling you that
    1) I only started on the Forum in February, and
    2) I was an avid Sanders-supporter (but I'm guessing, now-- on actual evidence-- that it's all pretty much the same, to you).

    Biden was never even a possible, on my list of preferences (#2: Yang; #3: Bennet). I could produce numerous of my unflattering appraisals of Biden, if needed.

    However your comment, "they are evil," shows that I would be wasting my time, trying to reason with someone of closed mind.
     
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    FYI you're going to need a link.
     
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    First, I have a correction, with regard to the WaPo site-- currently post #17, but I'm trying to get it moved to the corrected-text version of that part of their article, post #21-- which has a 6-minute VIDEO to watch. That is NOT the entire speech; it is a compilation of clips, spanning Biden's detailing his Covid RELIEF Plan, which is only step 1.

    The entire speech, which I've now seen, is 25 minutes long, and speaks also about the 2nd part of his plan, the economic part, which he will lay out in a speech to Congress, in a month; his Covid RECOVERY Plan (which, though full of ideas, was a little lighter on all the specifics, understandably, since it's formal presentation is farther off).

    I was surprised to find, in my full, attentive listening & watching, my impressions were so much different from when I'd just heard some pieces of it, live. I imagine there are a number of possible factors which could have played into this change, including even my own state of mind/moods at the two different times, or the fact that, the first time, it was all new to me but that was not so, the 2nd, which may have caused my attention to shift to other things.

    As for the difference. It largely resolved around the impression I got of the Prez Elect's personality. The first time, it came across to me as much stronger & more confident than in my later, full viewing-- not that P.E. Joe B. seemed to lack those things, my second time around, but I didn't feel him exuding them, & so, myself, did not feel as inspired by his vision, though it is all that I initially said about it: bold, & concrete (clear, in Joe's mind).

    To further narrow it down, I'd say it had to do with his personal style, from which one must use a lot of discretion, in drawing conclusions; different styles are more suitable, & effective, for different people. I just didn't feel as much enthusiasm & vitality being transmitted, by him, in the overall 25 minute speech, as in short part I'd first heard.

    My impressions, watching the full speech, interestingly gave me some insight into some of the pat charges brought against Biden by many of our fellow-posters, here, on the Right. During the first part of the speech, Biden just wasn't very lively, in my eyes. He was speaking kind of quickly (w/ a couple of small flubs) and w/o much animation, as if he were reading something, and it was hard to know just how exciting he found it.

    I do think, however, this is a funny accusation-- about having things written for him-- coming from Trump partisans, since it is rather more obvious when our current President is just reading something that he's not especially interested in, and in words that are, much more clearly, not his own.

    But the same way one can tell when Mr. Trump makes that switch to his own style, talking about something he finds, personally, compelling, Biden also, "perked up," especially toward the end. This was when he spoke of the need for national unity, for us all to work & come together. This idea strikes me as the one for which he holds the greatest passion.

    I also glimpsed, from the earlier or middle parts of Biden's speech, what I take to be at least part of the origin of this, "puppet," concept, we hear. My guess-- and that's all it is-- for the reason Biden seemed less dynamic about some of his bold initiatives, such as making affordable child care widely accessible-- which would not be seen as an AT ALL radical idea, anywhere in the European Union-- is that these don't come from a personal philosophy, (as is the case with Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren, for example) but from reading reports, consulting with authorities, & gauging consensus views.

    At one point, in fact, Biden cited the findings in an IMF (International Monetary Fund) report, & I instantly thought of a couple of poster's contention that the U.N. is the seat of an intended world, Socialist government. While I don't think it wise to follow any one authority with unquestioned acceptance, I am still of a mind that Biden does question, think about, & assess ideas, about which he would feel that he has some competence to judge. What will be important, in those areas he deems beyond his own ken, will be taking in a broad range of views; once again, here, it is almost comical that Trump-admiring, Biden-detractors assert a monopolizing influence of a concentrated few (as by the far left), over Biden, when their own Champion has so often gone off on a wild tangent, or stood obstinately behind some idea, based simply on what he'd heard from someone of dubious qualifications, on FOX & FRIENDS.

    Biden's willingness to do some bending towards other's points of view, I believe, is part of his political instincts.The far left will absolutely not get everything they want; nor will, for that matter, Republicans. But the former may get enough to keep from revolting, and the latter to make it worth their while, if they actually want to get anything done, to cooperatively negotiate with the new occupant-in-waiting of the White House.

    The President Elect's adopting of other's views does not, at all, imply that these ideas haven't been accepted as valid by Mr. Biden, that they have not won him over, with their case. The difference is that, unlike Donald Trump, who judges most everything with his gut, our new President values the opinions of experts, and believes in the value of compromise. These traits do not seem a bad thing.
     
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