Bill Gates Solar Project

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    ??? What is this "salvation" you speak of?

    All I did was point out that over the last decade or more, some fossil fuel energy has been replaced by clean energy and that growth in consumption has also been covered by clean energy.

    Clean energy is clean and it's energy!

    I think EVERYONE should be happy with that - including you.

    When I turn on a light I don't think, "Oh darn, I'll bet that's more of that clean energy."
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What state actually has this clean energy?
     
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    the temperature is related to the resistance, and the longer the distance the greater the resistance. and the greater the resistance the greater the temperature.
    No they're made out of aluminum because it's cheap.
     
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    No idea what fossil generated electricity is.

    Now you're talking about a coal-fired plant, that runs on coal.

    They make heat to turn turbines the turbines generate electricity.
     
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    The heat generated is distributed along the whole length of cable. This is basic electrical knowledge.
    Wrong again,
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    Aluminum provides a better conductivity to weight ratio than copper, and therefore is also used for wiring power grids, including overhead power transmission lines and local power distribution lines, as well as for power wiring of some airplanes. ... It has cost and weight advantages over copper wires.
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
    Aluminum building wiring - "
     
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    That's way off topic.

    This is a capitalist economy. There is competition in power production.

    But, hey your question implies you are seriously research-impaired, so let me help:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_farms_in_the_United_States
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photovoltaic_power_stations
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_thermal_power_stations

    For the last two you'll have to pick out the US plants.
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    Fossil fuel includes gas, oil, coal - anything where the source is ancient biomatter being extracted and burned.

    I think you probably know the answers to the rest of your post!!
     
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    Yes, longer means more resistence.

    However, that does NOT mean that any specific section of the line is hotter.

    For any specific line design, the loss is proportional to the length of the line.
     
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    yes so you burn something to make it, the sun isn't going to provide that
    I don't think it'll meet their demands. Right now to make klinker they burn koch
     
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    To a degree yes,
    Okay show me how it's more expensive than copper.
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    The whole point of the OP is to demonstrate how to create the heat needed by directly using solar!!

    You still haven't read the OP, so how are you going to respond to it?
     
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    I accept your idiotic term.
    They burn koch to make the heat they need. Solar generated steam will not be enough.
     
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    Sorry, don't believe your
    I'm responding to you
     
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    Sorry resistance creates hear
    Yes so generating 4.8 gigawatts and then transmitting it across a state will be a problem.
     
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    ?? It's what we do TODAY.

    Grand Coulee dam (for example) is basically out in a desert, with a production capability of nearly 7 gigawatts.

    Everyone agrees that resistence creates heat. But, from there you are mistaken in how much and how it is distributed.
     
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    There is a nuclear power plant near my city that has a capacity of 4800 megawatts. That's 4.8 gigawatts

    All I did was point out that over the last decade or more, some fossil fuel energy has been replaced by clean energy and that growth in consumption has also been covered by clean energy.[/QUOTE] good

    Clean energy is clean and it's energy!
    oh no I think it's brilliant , I just don't foresee it completely replacing other things
    truth be told if you turn on your light and you don't generate your own power you probably don't know.
     
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    To a degree? What I wrote is 100% accurate unlike your claim that the wire gets hotter the longer it is and your claim that the cable reaches temperatures of 400F-500F
    I've already shown you "Aluminum provides a better conductivity to weight ratio than copper, and therefore is also used for wiring power grids, including overhead power transmission lines and local power distribution lines"

    Copper is too heavy to use as overhead cabling - it's nearly 4 times denser! It is used in underground cabling where weight is irrelevant because it is more efficient conductor. Why would I show you that aluminium is more expensive than copper when I never said it was!

    I'm going to have to give you another quote but this time from a link to schoolboy physics:
    "Copper wires allow electric current to flow without much loss of energy. This is why copper wires are used in mains cables in houses and underground (although overhead cables tend be aluminium because it is less dense)."
    http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/CDA/14-16/chemistry/copch0pg3.html
     
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    good

    Clean energy is clean and it's energy!
    oh no I think it's brilliant , I just don't foresee it completely replacing other things
    truth be told if you turn on your light and you don't generate your own power you probably don't know.[/QUOTE]
    I don't believe clean energy will replace all other sources, either.

    But, I think we have a LONG way to go before clean energy is such a high percent of production that we have to worry about night time consumption or windless days. Capitalism should take care of that.

    I don''t know of anyone who sees zero fossil fuel as an objective - though zero coal might be a good objective.

    I wish I could like nuclear power!
     
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    I don't care if you believe me or not you don't matter.
    Copper is also too expensive.
     
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    What you would need for nuclear power to be better is a repeal of a Carter executive order. The major problem with nuclear power is the waste. It's dangerous thousands of years. and if we were able to develop a breeder reactor we can make it almost harmless.
     
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    It's not a question of believing you, your lack of basic knowledge is on display.

    Oh, and if it was related to cost then why does house wiring use copper
     
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    people who don't understand that aluminum is more cost effective than copper lack basic knowledge
    There is an excellent reason for that. My folks live in the house that what is built in the sixties and it has aluminum wiring in it.

    They did that for cost. But there is a fatal flaw. Over time heat cycling such as placing electric current on a circuit makes aluminum brittle. And it will crack making a place where resistance increases fires start.

    They quit doing it in the sixties because of that. In a house your wiring is behind sheetrock what did you can't see it and you typically don't have a circuit closed all the time so therefore you get Thermo cycling. That isn't the case with City power pretty constant the temperature of those wire stay at so they don't get brittle as fast.

    It's amazing how you don't I know this but somehow I lack knowledge.
     
  23. WillReadmore

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    I really doubt repealing some bill isn't going to make nuclear power better.
     
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    It's not a bill it's an executive order. That's what stops us from developing a breeder reactor.

    Why do you doubt that? The law restricts the use of nuclear waste. It requires us just to pile it up somewhere. That's precisely what it is.

    What do you know about nuclear power?
     
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    Then all these towers I see all over are just for show?

    Also, birds DO sit on high tension lines. This shows a few images of such

    https://www.google.com/search?q=why+can+birds+perch+on+high-voltage+power+lines+and+not+get+hurt&rlz=1CCZYFW_enUS877US877&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=uXM44Q0F7lBjxM%3A%2C4NTq1AffblNijM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQgwSOggc9ve1TwveOoICRB0y6NlQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjThvST-JTmAhULpFkKHbBTBOwQ9QEwAHoECAcQAw&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=_&vet=1
     
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