Billionaire Harlan Crow BOUGHT PROPERTY From JUSTICE THOMAS. The Justice DIDN'T DISCLOSE

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  1. DEFinning

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    Title, continued: ...(Justice Didn't Disclose) the Deal.


    https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-harlan-crow-real-estate-scotus

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    The purchase put Crow in an unusual position: He now owned the house where the justice’s elderly mother was living. Soon after the sale was completed, contractors began work on tens of thousands of dollars of improvements on the two-bedroom, one-bathroom home, which looks out onto a patch of orange trees. The renovations included a carport, a repaired roof and a new fence and gates, according to city permit records and blueprints.

    A federal disclosure law passed after Watergate requires justices and other officials to disclose the details of most real estate sales over $1,000. Thomas never disclosed his sale of the Savannah properties. That appears to be a violation of the law, four ethics law experts told ProPublica.
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    So, with the paucity of regulations, by which Supreme Court Justices are expected to abide-- Thomas still violated them. His billionaire buddy, Harlan Crow-- who certainly has a political agenda-- bought the home, in which Thomas's mother still lives, and then invested tens of thousands, in improvements. Crow also purchased two adjacent properties, also from Thomas family members, and his sprucing up of those properties, and fixing up Mrs. Thomas's home, inspired an upgrading, throughout the neighborhood.

    Not only did Thomas not report this, as he was required to do, but he actively tried to hide it.

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    disclosure form Thomas filed for that year also had a space to report the identity of the buyer in any private transaction, such as a real estate deal. That space is blank.

    “He needed to report his interest in the sale,” said Virginia Canter, a former government ethics lawyer now at the watchdog group CREW. “Given the role Crow has played in subsidizing the lifestyle of Thomas and his wife, you have to wonder if this was an effort to put cash in their pockets.”

    Thomas did not respond to detailed questions for this story.
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    It should be noted that the lavish vacations we found out about Crow financing for Thomas, were valued at twice Thomas's annual salary. Those, also, had gone unreported. But here's the kicker: when all those revelations were exposed, ten days ago, Justice Thomas did not even bother to take the step of any other dishonest person, who at least had an ounce of sense, by then getting ahead of this latest revelation, and being the one who made this information public. I guess he was just hoping that no one would find out.

    Thomas as no credibility left as a Justice, deciding for the rest of us, what is "right & proper." He is clearly dishonest, and thoroughly dishonorable. Of course Republicans in the Senate, will be unwilling to hold him to account, and spare the credibility of our High Court, from taking another free fall (trust in the SCOTUS, between 2020, fell from 67% to 47%). But this slimeball hypocrite deserves to be impeached, without question. Otherwise, the Supreme Court's objectivity, cannot be thought of as anything, except a sick joke. Sort of like leaving a pubic hair, on someone's water glass.
     
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    He's gots to go.
     
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    If he violated rules/law punish him accordingly
     
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    Nothing seems sinister in the real estate transaction. However, if Thomas is required to report this, I'd be interested in hearing as to why didn't.

    Justice Thomas, Relatives Sold Properties to Wealthy GOP Donor (msn.com)
     
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    100% this. If both sides thought this way then this country would be much better off.

    But here come the excuses or whataboutisms from the typicals.

    Bravo to you though.
     
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    wow, just keeps dripping and dripping
     
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    The Senate (Senator Whitehouse) reportedly has now asked the DOJ to open an investigation into Thomas for this transaction (and possibly others)..

    Violating the Ethics in Government Act under U.S.C. 13106

    No link yet...

    I guess Garland will get around to this in 2026?
     
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    No one ever said that there was anything "sinister," about the real estate deal, in and of itself-- so congratulations on arguing that point. Perhaps you could, next, make the case that this is not in any way proof that Judge Thomas is "Mexican Joker"-- it would have just as much to do with this thread, as your first post, quoted, at top.

    Try to follow this: Harlon Crow is a billionaire, who funds many groups which bring cases to the Supreme Court-- much the way you have alleged that George Soros controls politicians, whom benefit from the organizations which he funds. Crow sometimes states publicly, how he feels about cases before the Court, brought by the groups which he funds. In the 8 cases that have been brought, Thomas has voted in line with Crow's opinion, all eight times!

    Spin that any way you want-- not even a good arguer, like me, could make that out to be anything other than back-door corruption, pure & simple. And you are not going to fool anyone, unless they are either quite impure, or very simple.
     
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    I honestly don't know how much the DOJ can do about it: the SCOTUS is mostly a self-regulated world unto itself. What one of my own Senators, Chris Murphy, is pushing for, is actually putting ETHICS rules (supposedly with consequences, for violators), upon the Supreme Court. As there are not 60 Democratic Senators, this would require, of course, the assistance of Republicans. Something so straight forward, common sense, clearly warranted, and obviously in line with public opinion, one might have reason to believe has a chance of getting done.

    Not that I expect Republican Senators to get behind this en masse, as surely there is no excuse not to do, but the Dems probably can, I think, get enough of their GOP counterparts to join them, to defeat a filibuster. I mean, it's reporting financial transactions & gifts, the same as every other member of the Judiciary, and the Senators as well, must do. Which is not to say that Republicans may not negotiate the weakening of things Democrats call for, perhaps in recusal rules, and probably in punishments for breaking these rules, but I am cautiously optimistic, something may eventually be passed into law. Instituting even watered-down ethics regulations, is still better than having the Highest Court in our land, being subject no rules, at all.
     
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    So..you reckon this was an arm's length transaction, and the purchase had nothing to do with the fact the seller and buyer knew each other as close friends, and one friend had lots of money, the other had little and needed to extricate himself from some crappy properties, and ensure his Dear Old Mum had a roof over her head, one even enhanced, a roof under which she seemingly lived for free. You don't think for even one minute that this put the seller into a position of social debt and obligation to the buyer?????
     
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    I wouldn't be shocked if we saw the liberal justices on the SCOTUS also hiding expenses gained or properties gained, their finances just weren't as fine tooth combed. In any event, as you point out the current political configuration of the court as well as conservatives having failed to appoint a moderate themselves during the Trump years means that Republicans won't expel Thomas because they know the Biden Administration will grant us someone on the far left.

    The real solution is the abolition of the court completely, it serves no useful function other than to block or paralyze the function of the State and society at large.
     
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    Be, your expectations, as they may-- that is a preposterous statement, and one you have ZERO basis, for speculating. Am I wrong? What is your knowledge of the finances of liberal SCOTUS Judges-- perhaps I am misjudging your experience, to be absolutely none?

    The thing is, and it is laughable that you use this term, it required no "fine toothed comb," to discover these overtly improper arrangements, clearly warranting disclosure-- it is just that no one ever before bothered to take a look! There has been zero oversight. Justices have just been trusted, to do the right thing; which is not so surprising, I guess, when you consider that we trust them to interpret all of our laws. So if they interpret that they are not violating the law, who are we to question them?


    P.S.-- Thomas's abuses are not typical of Justices, not even of Republican ones.
     
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    Okay. So who will have final say over the interpretation of the constitution? Who will resolve splits between the circuit courts of appeal? I don’t think you’ve thought this through.
     
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    I would be interested to know whether Thomas decided any cases that affected this guy’s business interests.
     
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    I am not yet sure about that...but...it seems he may have heard cases funded by the rich dude, and it seems his decisions in those cases reflected the rich dude's views. Ima still looking, so Jury is out on that point.
     
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    Clarence seems like a guy that might be influenced by customized cases with a "preordained" outcome.
     
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    Democrats largely avoid investigations. What isn’t investigated can’t ever be revealed.
     
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    Sounds like a Trump thing....Harlan supports Trump does he?
     
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    Trump is the most investigated person in our history lol. You genuinely aren’t making any sense.
     
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    All well deserved and the rooster will soon crow......sense is not in your wheelhouse when it comes to the Trump Party.
     
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    Not deserved at all. The sheer amount t of investigation is a direct sign of corruption as the Dems in positions of power use the doj to attack thier political enemies.

    But you strictly said he avoids investigations..which is objectively false lol.
     
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    Fully deserved and the corruption is a mirror image of Harlan, Clarence and Trump....his supporters are simply duped.
     
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    That genuinely not true. Investigations are not a sign of guilt, especially when they are corrupt witch hunts that this far have revealed no evidence of wrong doing.
     
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    Totally true.....you just can't admit it. When their is smoke there is fire. Trump is burning up....
     
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    Where there is smoke there is fire sure. But that’s not a good analogy for corrupt investigations.
     
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