Birthers are now in bed with the communists

*Birthers and commies.

 

Remember this?

 

No, it's really not!

What it is is a really silly mistake made by people wo are still associating the name "Pravda" with e now defunct official soviet newspaper, which has NOT EXISTED SINCE 1991!

A few reporters have ressucitated the name "pravda" to try to give what is today no more than a pointless TABLOID, which, by the way, is often used by EXTREME LIBERTARIAN forums (such as Infowar) to spew their fear mongering and their spinning in a silly tabloid, in order to fool silly people who do not bother to check their sources but jump on the name only.

Here is the whole explanation by WIKEPEDIA:

 

Nice projection, buddy. Remind me again who is currently waging class warfare with the hopes of dividing and conquering Americans? Who is using class envy and resentment as footholds to gain ground in the 2012 election? You statist libs are the ones with dreams of a benevolent dictator operating within a communist society. Why project these qualities onto us? Just own them and be done with it.

 

Are you talking Bushy??? Bushy was the worst president evah and you are comparing Ubama to him...Oh that is sooooo coooool.

 

All of this is ridiculous, as the Pravda is nothing more than a tabloid anymore and has more connection with Infowar than with Putin!

It's like accusing the Inquirer to be an arm of the teaparty!

Please check your sources!

 

Why don't you check your sources and read through the tread?

Is your source Bill Oh'Really?

Obama's and Bill Oh'Really's lies are observed to be working on this tread.


The truth is;

pravda. ru is a lot more credible source of info and news than the only American news, Fox news.

http://www.pravda.ru/ HAS NOTHING TO DO TO GASETA-PRAVDA.RU http://gazeta-pravda.ru/ which is a tabloid like MSNBC and simliar and is indeed communist like MSNBC and CNN.

Neither putin nor pravda.ru are what you and everyone else brainwashed by American propaganda have been thinking they are.


Everyone has been decieved.

Obama propaganda works.

 

If you think that Putin has nothing to do with what the Pravda tabloid, or what the Russian media does today, you haven't been paying attention to what has happened in Russia since the days of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
Putin is a hard line KGB thug who uses the media as he wants. He is the new dictator of Russia, and some birther idiots are willing to sell out their own country for the reward of a byline in some cheap communist tabloid.

 

What 'class envy'? Americans don't do class. The rest of your post is the usual reactionary drivel we've come to expect.

 

Your statement is ridiculous. the OP article presents the Pravda as the same as the original soviet newspaper. . .which is GONE!

There are many new little "pravda," ALL of which are tabloids!

And, I do NOT get my news from Fox (although I watch it about once a week to keep up with the crap they spew) and I only watch MSNBC as, basically entertainment. I actually look at many sources of information, including European sources, US sources, and Australian sources.

I assume you are one of the Infowar addicts, and you are incensed because you want everyone to believe that that "pravda" is dependable. . .since Infowar is your source of information.

Think what you wish. . .but I will spread the word based on REALITY, not on "wishful thinking" that one source is better than another!

To get a good idea of what the truth is, one needs to look at a lot more than ONE source, and also needs to get out of the general media and into professional journal articles, not just "newspapers," and certainly NOT TABLOIDS!

 

I have no respect for Putin, and I do believe he is capable of a lot of nasty game plays.

The fact is that the official Pravda is GONE, and the many "small tabloids" with the name Pravda are fooling not the Russian people (at least not those who can think for themselves) but the brainless ones. . .not unlike our own "Inquirer" and the British "Sun" does for our flavor of brainless people.

And. . .Infowar is using MANY of the Pravad.ru articles in their favorite "conspiracy theories." Fear mongering comes in many languages, in many flavors, but they all are made to serve nasty game plays.

We, in America, are certainly not immune to this!

 

A question for Obama supporters in this thread.....

If this turns out to be true, and Obama's birth certificate is forged, what will you say?


I was talking with someone about this the other day. I said the most likely response from Obama's supporters will simply be "Well the law needs to be changed, the requirements to be president are out-dated and stupid"

 

Of course Americans do class.

Think about how rare the idea of a middle class is.

How many countries on this planet have a middle class?

How many of those countries are not white?

 

Putin is irrelevant as far as the point of my thread.
He's going to do what serves his interests to promote himself and stick it to the US to deflect attention from the fact that he stole his election and is intent on becoming the next tsar of Russia.

Whatever Pravda is, it is also a servant of Putin and his interests, or he would go after it the way he has gone after all of his opposition.

What I find interesting is that a birther is willing to sell herself to a communist propaganda organ to flog her crackpot ideas at the expense of the reputation of her own country.

Birthers like to prattle on about how patriotic their motives are, but the fact is that they are as immoral as they are stupid, and are willing to be used by foreign interests just to satisfy their racist apoplexy that the US has a black man as president.

That is the truth about the birthers, make no mistake about it.

 

The same thing you birthers keep on saying when you find out, repeatedly, that your "conspiration theories" are ridiculous and have no foundation. . .
We'll shake our heads and question your sense of reality!

 

I totally agree that the birthers will go to any length to keep their ridiculous delusions alive!

But, the fact that they went to a tabloid is laughable! THERE IS NO MORE PRAVDA, at least not the Pravda that sent chills in the back of most Americans! Today, you could easily replace the name "pravda," (any of the several different "flavors" of that name given to many tabloids) by "the Inquirer."

It is meaningless for anyone who can think for themselves. . .but I do agree that, thinking for themselves, is certainly NOT a quality that is common among birthers!

 

They already use our own rags like the Globe and the News of the World, which trade on stories of alien invasions and similar nonsense, to push their crackpot racist ideology.
Now they have shown that they are not only racists but have also been reduced to the role of useful idiots by foreign interests who are antagonistic to our country.
I recall several threads and posts on this forum where right-wing racists have fawned over Putin's tough-guy image in their fevered attempts to denigrate Obama by comparison.
With "patriots" like them, the US needs no outside enemies.
It's a given that racists are congenitally stupid, but the right-wing birthers continue to plumb new lows with their actions.

 

How many conspiracy theories do birthers believe in? I thought it was just one....


And I'm confused by your answer. Unless you mean to say that in the face of incontrovertible evidence that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii as he claims, that you will simply shake your head.

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here. I just have a little more faith in the REAL right, the mass of people on the Rigwht who are not extremists and are keeping their ability (and their right) to think for themselves and, although they remain mostly silent, are embarrassed by the excess of thr hyper religious and right wing extremist birthers and their antiques!

 

Surfer joe and others....

Are you prepared to call black people racists as well?

Voting for Obama because he is black is just as racist as not voting for him because he is black.


Somehow I doubt you have the stones to call anybody but white people racist.

 

There are no incontrovertible evidence of such thing. . .so I shake my head at your comment right now.

And, the birthers are so desperate to convince people that Obama shouldn't be eligible to run for a second term, that they have splintered their original conspiracy theory about his birth place to several . . ."creative ways" he could be "proven" to not be a natural born citizen. . .from his being a hidden muslim, to his having had allegiance to Britain, or Kenya. . .or whatever else they can come up with!

Too ridiculous to even debate about it!

But, don't mind me. . .if you are enjoying the silly right and looking rifdiculous and simple minded, jump right in!

But, just in case you are interested to some logic, here is what I think of one of th "conspiracy theories" re: a fake Birth certificate from Kenya:
Unless you just chose to ignore it?

This is very funny!

That birth certificate is obviously a fake. . .not even printed in Kenya.

There is a very easy way to demonstrate that:

America is the ONLY country in the world that tells dates in the format "month/day/year"

All other countries (especially French Africa and Europe) uses the format "day/month/year"

Yet, if you look at the FAKE birth certificate from Kenya. . .the date of both the mother's birth and the date of the "official" signature is using the format "Mont/day/year."

This is a very clear indication that, not only this certificat is a fraud, it hasn't even been created in Kenya. . .

Just as an illustration of this point, I am providing a (totally unrelated) article with the date this article was published:


Quote:
Posted 26/1/2012
Modelled along the masquerade parties of medieval Europe where masked partygoers remained anonymous, the local one already has lots of fans...

Another one:


Quote:
26.01.12 - ICC/KENYA - PROMINENT KENYANS STEP ASIDE ...
http://www.hirondellenews.com/conten.../15198/564/Jan 26, 2012 – Subscribe to receive our news articles in your email box ... Nairobi, January 26, 2012 (FH) - Kenya's Uhuru Kenyatta has resigned as Finance

Please note that, if that article had been written and/or written in the US, the date would have been stated as "1/26/2012"

I suggest that next time some birther decides to "produce" a fake certificate, they at least do some research to see if it would stand such light scrutiny!


I will also post in a separate entry (because it is too long), my answer to why it is ridiculous to think that Obama's mother travelled all the way to kenya to give birth to her son

 

Obama himself has stated that he is a muslim. Nothing hidden about it.

But as far as the birth certificate, Arpaio cannot prove where Obama was born but he has proven that the birth certificate Obama produced last year is a completely computer generated document and never existed in real life.

More head shaking?

 

"Coming up" with WHAT "evidence"?

All Sheriff Joe presented was retreaded copy-machine-salesman-hack-fantasies about electronic documents. ALL of which were wrong.

 

Have you read my previous post re: the ABSOLUTE fraudulent "obama birth cerificate from Kenya!". Not even a smart fraud!

And there IS NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN proof that Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii is a fraud. On the contrary, that "theory has been rejected by EVERY courts in which it has been brought!

And here is a much more logical reason why Obama's birth in Kenya is so ridiculous a theory that it is nothing more than laughable!


Okay. . .are you still with me?

It is 1961. Obama's mother iis 7 months pregnant, and has the support of her parents to give birth to the child she is carrying. Her husband is near her. The news from Kenya are bad. . .civil war is imminent, it has already destroyed the Belgian Congo. Conditions in the region are difficult, dangerous. Flights in and out of central Africa are irregular and difficult to secure. (I know. . .my sister lived in the Belgian Congo in 1960, during the revolution, and was stuck in an airport for 4 days, with her 4 kids, before the army finally provided a repatriation plane to leave the area). It is mid Summer, with temperatures that reach 120 degrees F in Kenya. In America, money is short. . .neither the new mother or the new father have money (they are students). The new grand parents have little money.

Air travel is prohibitive, both in terms of cost, and in terms of safety for a pregnant woman in her 7th, or 8th month of gestation. . .in fact, the trip would take several connections (from Hawaii to the US West Coast, from the West Coast to the East Coast, from the East Coast to Britain, from Britain to Africa. . .and maybe another one inside Africa). The OBGyn (and even the airline) refuse to transport pregnant women after the 7th month of pregancy. . .even for a simple trip between Hawaii and the West Coast of the US. By the way, such a trip even TODAY, 50 years later, would take over 24 hours of travel time! Hardly recommended (or even allowed) for a first time expectant mother in the later stages of pregnancy!

And. . .with all those "barriers" . .you still believe that this young woman would have chosen to overcome all those insurmontable difficulties, risk her life and that of her child, to go give birth in a third world country in crisis?

And her parents would have "faked" the announcement in the local newspapers of the birth of their first grand child IN an Hawaian hospital?

I can believe that some birthers are dumb enough to not see all this. . .but I don't believe many rational people would be are enough to have any doubt that Obama was NOT born in Kenya!

 

I agree with you. The majority of people in the world, whether left or right, Muslim, Christian, Jew or atheist, are normal people who would like nothing better than to live and let live.
The ones who are always causing the problems are the extremists.
They twist the natural differences in life into something sinister and fill themselves with hate and fear and try to infect others.
There's a lot of common ground that people can find to build on.
I agree with some concerns that conservatives have as well as disagree with some ideas that liberals have, and I suspect that many people feel the same way.
It's a shame that forums like these can't engender a real sense of respect and honest, intelligent dialogue, and that is down to the extremists who want to create a toxic atmosphere to satisfy their own pathetic needs.
The old saying- if you argue with idiots they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience, also applies to extremists.
In the real world, you tend to avoid such people, but in anonymous settings like the internet, they can pollute things to their heart's content.
It's probably the only place they can get any attention for their sick ideas.

When I come on this site, and see the litany of sick, twisted threads and posts by the same gang of extremists, day after day, I think, 'why bother'?
It gets boring real fast.
For every interchange that is interesting and worthwhile, you have to wade through hundreds of posts full of ignorance, hate and bigotry.
The only worthwhile reply to such people is not really allowed on moderated forums.
There is a veneer of fake civility that gets enforced in such forums, which protects the worst offenders as long as they play the game.
But in the end, all it does is make a mockery of everything and drag everyone down into the gutter.