Black students are failing because they are raised by poor single women

Obama canceled the DC school choice voucher program, not me. He's the one willing to keep the black man down in favor of teacher's unions. Every Dem is just like him in that regard. Unions first, children can go screw. 'Choice' only applies to murdering babies in the womb, not sending them to school.


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I don't think Precision wants a voucher program.

That would make the public teachers actually show results or get fired.

What he libs want is a No Accountability public education system where the plan is to just keep raising the teachers pay till the students do better or the government goes bankrupt.

 

the drug war is causing the problems, easy money and a lot of it..... prohibition is the gateway to crime

a smart man once said

http://eazysmoke.com/marijuana-quotes.htm

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
- Albert Einstein quote on Hemp"
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voucher programs support is dying. they found out it didn't only fund Christian Schools, but Muslims schools as well

 

No, every government official is like Obama. Poor education is not a recent phenomenon, but the decline has been happening over decades. Every political personality champions it because that is what you do as a politician, but no measurable change or improvement has occurred. Obama is not Democrat or Republican, he is government, and our entire government seems to take no pointed interest in the improvement of the education system.

Let's at least resist the urge to make this a party issue. It would bring us closer to actually thinking up a solution instead of another attack-topic.

 

So each student should pay $10,000 per year directly toward teacher salaries, plus another few grand per year for overhead costs. Most districts pay significantly less per student, including all overhead costs. More importantly, schools often have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars toward special needs programs, which would push up your per-student cost even more.

Many states already spend the lions share of their budget on education. Your idea may improve education, but would bankrupt many states.

 

Many of the States already have their debts independent from the national debt, lol.

But I agree with Precision. Teacher's are a fundamental unit to a good society and should be treated as such. In essence, they are engineering the minds of the future generations of our land so they should have to display adequate knowledge and ability. People pay for a lot of things. They pay for wars, they pay for bad banks, the pay for overblown, highly uninformative and unneeded election campaigns...better education would seem like a veritable investment if we asked people to pay for a teachers credential program, but we don't. A person that wants to be a teacher pays for their curriculum like everyone else.

It would be nice if teaching was actually a social profession instead of financial in policy.

 

As so often, it is sadly understated. Socialism could not exist without a well established welfare class. White and black both.....

 

Hmmm, interesting. I have a question since there is more whites who are dependent on Gov't is it also their goal to make white americans gov't dependent?

 

Absolutely.

Obama and the liberals would love to see every white person dependent on the government handouts.

 

Really, well who was responsible for this before Pres. Obama hit the scene, because he only got here a few days ago.

 

Try 1460 days ago give or take a few weeks.

More than enough time for Obama to exact his revenge on the white middle class.

 

Uh but you are side stepping the question. Why is it we have never seen any of these benevolent white presidents including the republican ones bring any of this dependency to an end.

 

No president has ever attacked the white middle class the way Obama is doing.

And any future president will find that once government decency becomes established the dependents will never give it up.

Government handouts become a way of life.

 

Hmmm

Missed this.

Can you expand on this more or point to some references that do? Also please give some evidence to back up your claims.

That would be interesting if true, so I'm interested in what you have to say.

 

I agree, but it's also the Republican's. They both try to do the same thing using different avenues making you think there is a difference in their strategies. And ultimately, when we are so dependent we allow them to do what they want so long as we get what we want, it appears as if the government still rules by majority, when it rules by discreet force and manipulation.

Republican's like to say that Obama won by handing his constituency what they wanted, but that's exactly what Romney was doing with Conservatives. Both people rally popular support by dangling the things they want over their heads while saying, "Vote for me and I'll give it to you". There's no real difference.

 

Superexcellent!!!!

Great job. Someone gets it. I could not agree with what you have said more!!!!!!

Thanks, that was a breath of fresh air!!!!!

 

You need to look at what I posted in the context of the thread. This started when someone said:

To which I replied

What that means is that we need to take a good chunk of that ONE TRILLION DOLLARS that we spend on making war and use it to educate people properly.

Then Radio Refugee said

To which I replied:

Of course blind spending will not solve the problem. And for sure, spending on a policy centered on standardized testing will not solve the problem. That said, spending the money in the right way could do wonders. First of all teachers need to be paid substantially more. That will attract more talent to the field. You would decrease the number of students per teacher which would allow for more quality instruction per student. Then teachers need to have more rigorous training. They need to be able to deal with different types of students and need to be able to adapt instructional strategy to fit a particular student's needs. Then there needs to be an effective out of school tutoring program. The people doing that need to be paid well and trained properly also. Then you need to have people trained to help kids who might be having problems with the social environment at home that is hindering their educational development. Those people need to have the resources that they need to deal effectively with the different types of issues students might be facing.
You could do wonders with 300 billion of that 1 trillion dollars.

Then Radio R said some stuff about head start

To which I replied

I'm not talking about head start ok. My mother ran a head start program after she retired from teaching. I know what that's about.

I'm talking about radically different stuff. I'm talking about training teachers in a radically different way. I'm talking about training teachers like we train doctors. Yeah, make it difficult to be a teacher, but make it pay very well. Start them off at over 100k per year. And I'm talking about having a lot of them. One teacher for at most ten students.

That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

So my point is that the money would be coming out of the ONE TRILLION DOLLARS we spend a year making war. THE US CURRENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED ON WAR. Sheesh!!!!

 

Where did I reference anything national? Education is a state responsibility so it comes out of state budgets. Many states already spend more than half of their budget on education. What was proposed would increase that even more. Unless everyone was willing to give up other things like infrastructure, doing this would bankrupt many states.

 

Well you got one thing right, I don't want a voucher program.

But did you read everything I said?

I'm talking about creating a class of super excellent teachers. I'm talking about teachers who can really teach and that have everything they need to succeed. Train them like we train doctors. Go to school 6 to 7 years, then 2 years residency. Make it a profession that people look up too.

Like Upside Down Cake said, they are the people who are engineering the minds of the future. That's extremely important to society and it should be treated as such. The problem is that we place emphasis on people who play different sorts of ballgames. The problem is that we place emphasis on people who cuss and talk hubris to music. The problem is that we place emphasis on people who devise various means to jack the financial system for their self aggrandizement and end up crashing the banking system. The public then has to pay to bail the thing out. The problem is that we place emphasis on bombing poor innocent people to death so that various corporations can make huge profits. That's the problem.

WE NEED TO PLACE MORE EMPHASIS ON TEACHERS!

 

Tell us what each of these people did that made you believe them to be racists. Did they mention their race over and over like BH Obama did? Did they spend twenty years in racists churches? Did white conservative openly intimidate voters at the polling places and then be ignored by the MSM and our AG? What was it?

I have know and liked both the conservative Blacks and the liberal exploitive Blacks. The conservative Black was married and raising his kids, a Vietnam veteran and my dad and I would have risked our lives for him as he would have for us.

The liberal Black opening admitted that he was riding the wave of entitlement in the late 70s. He had sex in the school parking lot with the white girls that thought that it was cool to have sex with a black guy. He had three Black kids and let their Black militant mother raise them in government dependence because that left him free to have other girl friends. He saw the immorality of his life style but didn't care. He later married a Black girl and had a few kids with her before he left her. I lost touch with him for a while and the last time I saw him back in the 90s he had 19 grandkids and told me that he didn't know any of their names. He may have 19 more by now and he is 7 years younger than me. As bad as his actions were for society I would still have risked more for him than he would for me.

A related story that I have told many times: In the late 90s a TV station in Austin sent a young Mexican lady reporter to a local school to talk to kids about their first day of school. She was standing outside telling us what she was going to do when a bus pulled up and kids started to get off. the reporter pick a cute little Black kid and asked if it was his first day of school. When he said yes she squatted down next to him to begin her interview. She asked what his mother told him about school so the little boy looked at her with all seriousness and said "Don't take no (*)(*)(*)(*) off those teachers." Well, the young reporter was so stunned that she froze for a second, wavered and then she fell back landing on her butt with the camera pointed at her exposed crotch. The studio producer and the camera man were stunned too so it took a few seconds to cut back to the studio where the anchor lady changed the subject and started to fill the time allotted for that segment.

That tells you why so many Blacks are poor and why their kids will be poor too.

When I was a kid teachers were looked up to but today teaching is regulated by political correctness driven by the far left. Good teachers don't last today because the classes are so hard to manage.
We can't afford the unconstitutional federal mandates now so adding another 25% to teacher compensation is impossible.

The department of education should be dissolved so that the states can teach their citizens as they see fit. No teacher should have union leverage over the school district so that teh school board can made decisions about the direction of the curriculum.

 

I have answered this question THREE TIMES IN THIS THREAD NOW. Again, the Republican party adopted it's infamous Southern Strategy to get votes by pandering to white racism. This is a well known fact and again, sadly they where quite successful at it.

 

Well I can't go back and read all of your BS to find it so I'll assume that you don't have one specific case of racism that you can point to.

I know that the MSM sees racism hidden in just about everything that conservatives do because liberalism and progressivism is based on race baiting and it you go against the liberal/progressive horde you must be a racist.

 

Are you saying that the Republican Southern Strategy of appealing to white racism to get votes is BS?

 

Not all immigrants are uneducated and not all uneducated immigrants come from "third world" countries. Although the immigration system currently favors certain countries over others, it does, however, has a much different definition of what is educated and uneducated. This part has got to change for legal immigrants while still holding on to our most precious value that we welcome all immigrants.