Blatant discrimination:’ Christian B&B owner fined $80K for refusing gay ‘wedding’ co

They are not one in the same. And freedom of association is important. Should not be forced to serve someone I don't want to.

By forcing them to serve those they do not want to, you are discriminating against them. Ironically.

 

You wrote "Forcing people to do business with folks, is wrong." And hence you are against forcing companies to do business with black people. That is not assuming too much, that is what you put up here.

 

Right.
So when 2 men do it. Than one of them is a person, but the other one is like an animal? You're making such a comparison in the rant I've quoted. Back in the day, people judged black people as inferior and like an animal with the lesser rights that go with it. Maybe you did not mean to make it appear like that. But you did. And in most countries having sex with an actual animal is part of animal cruelty and so illegal.

 

But there is no such right. And when you demand that there must be such a right, than you do agree with it.
This doesn't go with a grey area of like, I demand people to have such rights eventhough I disagree with that viewpoint.
Sorry.

You are not free if you are being revused to get the service that others get on basis of blunt discrimination.
And that right trumps the other.

 

Oh I doubt not that in fast areas in Afghanistan or maybe in that entire country there is a mayority for stoning people to death for adultery or whatever. Doesn't look to me that such freaking majority is the part that we need to listen to. Them backward mostly republican American just need to be smacked into this cultural revolution like it or not.

 

Negative. This is about companies applying blunt discrimination and that is persectution, not the other way around. Get real.

 

First, you do not get to determine what tenets of religion a Baptist may not obey that a Catholic must because of their interpretation of the bible.
Adultery is committed only if it is outside of your current marriage.
Second prove that they have hosted marriages outside of their own religion. That's up to you to do, not me.
What parts of Shintoism disagree with Christianity as far as marriage goes? Do the Shinto allow gay marriage?

 

Well there you go again, trying to act as if organizations aren't made up of people.
It's discrimination against Christian people.
Political action committees from unions are tax exempt but allowed to campaign, yet you want to discriminate against Christians who have a tax exemption? Hell, the Unions themselves are tax exempt, but that doesn't stop the SEIU from terrorist acts.
Such hypocrisy.

 

No, you addressed a strawman you created for yourself to debate.

I don't believe that for a second.

Single churches do not make an entire religion. Your attempt to make it so was the lie.

Another straw man for you to debate against.
I will never support big gubmint.
That would be you. Thinking you can tell other people what to do by the big hand of gubmint.

 

That is complete and total garbage. People have a right to do tons of things I disagree with and wouldn't do myself. It doesn't mean I believe they should lose those rights.

Your argument here is total bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

No you're being refused the service. You are being refused the service from ONE business. You are free to choose another.

And no, that right does not trump the other. That's just leftist BS....my way is better than your way so my way is right and your way is illegal. That should actually be the lefty motto.

You are a wizard of logic.

 

I am all for freedom of association and agree involuntary servitude is wrong. What I don't agree with is a majority protected group with more special protections than any other group in the country demanding that a minority population not be allowed be treated the same and suffer blatant and open discrimination.

The religious people here are again asking for more special exemption and rights - against the very idea of equality.

 

False, I directly responded to your hypothetical.

Dont care, have you seen the way the people that voted for HRC are acting? I don't think they could bring themselves to say they voted for the President Elect

Never said they did

I support equality for all people. You support special protections and exemptions for groups you agree with - think of it as AA or welfare for religious folks.

I guarantee I want a smaller government than you do - in all areas, except those directly laid out in the Constitution.

 

The operative word being force.

 

Doesn't change a thing what you put up, and that is your support for apartheid rule.

 

Sure it does. And the fact that you can not see that the freedom to associate with whomever you chose is not racist or "apartheid rule" is something I guess we just wont get past.

I'm not talking about government services, I'm talking about a private business.

 

If what you said was true, this thread would not exist....

So obviously, what you said is NOT true for at least a portion of American Christians.

 

Adultery is not only committed outside of a current marriage.
For divorce is only allowed under very specific conditions according to the bible. So a religion can't go change it. Well they can, but then they are going against what is written in the bible. Typically a no no to God.

I haven't said they hosted marriages of any sort, merely asked a question. I really don't care. Hypocrites will be hypocrites.
WTF do I care about shinto?

 

Organizations are made up of people. Your projection is horrible.
But organizations are legal constructs to deal with gov't. They don't have all the same rights, or shouldn't, as a single person.

Taxation of Trade Associations, Labor Unions, and Other Exempt Organizations that Conduct Political Activities
A tax-exempt organization that conducts exempt function activities is subject to tax on amounts it expends for such activities. The tax is imposed at the highest corporate rate, on the lesser of the organization's net investment income or the amount of exempt function expenditures.
If the exempt organization sets up a separate segregated fund, however, that fund will be treated as a separate political organization and taxed under section 527.
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-p...ganizations-that-conduct-political-activities

So NO, I am not against christians. If they want to pay taxes like the other Non Profits for their activity. Let em do it. Another projection failure.

 

Oh! So refusing to serve someone because they are gay is not considered ill treatment in your opinion? If "We don't serve your kind here!" is not ill treatment, what do you call it?

 

you got suckered in.

the servicing of the celebration of the gay lifestyle was rejected. If they wanted a birthday party or a dinner, then they would be served.

That is why the "discrimination" argument holds no water nor does the civil rights argument

A very specific event, the celebration of the gay-lifestyle is what was refused.

 

that is a false argument. They were not refused service because they choose to engage in gay-sex. They could have birthday parties, bowling league dinners etc etc, just not an event which specifically celebrates the gay-sex lifestyle. A specific event was refused and when the SCOTUS has the new justice, cases like this one will be revisited and the Constitution shall prevail. No govt can force a person to service an event/activity which goes against their faith (or lack of faith for atheists)

If these folks came in for a simple dinner and were refused service because they made it known to all of the staff that they like them some gay-sex, then that is discrimination. That was not the case here. They demanded that a Christian service a celebration of the gay-lifestyle and a Christian cannot do that.

If they simply came in for dinner then I've no doubt that they would be fed because Christians do no have an issue with the people, we simply cannot participate in celebrating the gay lifestyle.

 

Christians cannot participate in celebrating the gay lifestyle? Why is that? Divorce is mentioned in the bible more than homosexuality is and divorce seems to be fine with Christians. They get divorced more than any religion.

 

Let’s get you up to speed first. This is not about certain sex acts that Christians find objectionable. If that were the case, there would be no suitable customers for Christian business owners. You have committed several of these objectionable acts and are in the same category using your own logic. (Unless you would like to deny ever receiving a BJ or having premarital sex!)

You, a Christian, cannot be denied housing, employment, goods, or services because of your faith. Enjoy your freedom. Let others enjoy theirs.

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Ooh! Good point!

 

I've yet to see a "happy divorce party" serviced by a Christian business.............................next

 

Of course it's about the sex act. A gay wedding or "gay pride event" is the celebration of the gay sex life. Christians have and continue to serve folks who have gay sex, abort babies and more. What we cannot do is service a celebration of gay sex or killing babies