Blue Lives Matter, Black Lies Shatter. Cops 1850% More Killed by Blacks Than Kill Blacks.

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't say it's useless. If the question is, what's the extent and nature of crime occurring in the country, the obvious go-to source is law enforcement - how many people are they arresting and for what crimes. Whether the people arrested are ultimately convicted or not, the crime still occurred. Of course it's not perfect, in the sense the wrong person has been arrested, etc., but at least the crime itself is counted. If measuring by convictions, and for one reason or another someone is not ultimately convicted, this would not be the case - the crime would thus go uncounted.

    There are also crimes that will never result in a conviction because they're never reported to law enforcement. These crimes are picked up through the National Criminal Victimization Survey, which is why the DOJ often uses both UCR and NCVS data in its crime reports.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One can only imagine how many of the black folks in the DoJ database were falsely accused.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Baloney. I said: "the crime occurred, whether there was sufficient evidence to convict or not."

    Let me make it simple for you.

    If someone is robbed and no one is ever convicted, does it mean the robbery never occurred?
     
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    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    that is no necessarily true. It can be be, but is no surety that a crime occurred.

    LOL. Your tone betrays the veracity of your "argument."

    Fallacy of false equivalency: An arrest on record does not mean a crime occurred. It simply means someone was arrested. People are falsely accused and wrongfully arrested all the time. An arrest and a crime committed can correlate, but that is not a surety that a crime occurred, only that an arrest did.
     
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    I see, so getting into the topic of the article linked in the thread is off topic to the thread itself. Well, I think it's a pretty well known thing that police police are more likely to be murdered than to commit murder, and I think it is also pretty well known that the vast majority of black people who are killed are killed by people who are not police officers. However, a big reason why people are more upset about the police killings is they are almost always not charged, or they are acquitted. When a person kills a police officer, that person is never acquitted for their crime

    The thing to understand is when one person murders another person, that act represents an evil in that one person who committed the murder.. but when the person who commits the murder is not convicted, that then represents an evil in the criminal justice system. Hence the political outrage in the latter situation. I do believe the statistic regarding the number of black people who kill police officers vs the number of police officers who kill black people is true, but the emphasis of the subject fails to understand the injustices committed by the criminal justice system.



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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL Anything you have to say about "veracity" is belied by the fact that you deliberately misrepresented what I said. Either that, or your comprehension skills are seriously sub par.

    And at the end of the day, your personal opinion of FBI/UCR crime stats doesn't matter. The DOJ, Congress, law enforcement, news organizations and just about everyone else with an interest in US crime data will continue to use them as the go-to source for crime stats, in isolation or in conjunction with the NCVS.
     
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