Boiling the Campaign Down To the Essentials

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    Peggy Noonan throws out the bathwater and finds the baby.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...nan&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

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    “It's interesting that the Obama campaign isn't using what incumbent presidents always sooner or later use, either straight out or subliminally. And that is "You know me. I've been president for almost four years, you don't know that other guy. In a high-stakes world do you really want someone new?"
    You know why they're not using "You know me"? Because we know him, and it's not a plus.”

    Taxcutter:
    Yes indeed, Peggy. We know Obama all too well. He has been measured and found wanting. We know what he’s about and don’t like it a bit.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Listening to Obama is like when you vomit in your mouth. Kinda hard to rinse it out afterwards.
     
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    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    He is such a common type of street corner politician, he promises everything, smiles and knows how gullible people can be. It's been the mistake of the Republicans not to realize the majority of voters are still this gullible.., and here he is doing the same thing again.
    You would think anybody that failed so obviously with his Hope and change, and United promises, that people would just tune him out..

    Nope,,,just dont talk about the economy and rely on the old standard.......Class Warfare. Of course this is the opposite of Uniting people, but what the Heck!!!

    He never planned on Uniting people in the first place
     
  4. signcutter

    signcutter New Member

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    Really?... you do realize we elected Bush JR twice right? I wont even go into the career politicians in the Senate and the House.
     
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    Taxcutter New Member

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    GW Bush ran on his record in 2004 - and won.
     
  6. BTeamBomber

    BTeamBomber Well-Known Member

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    We haven't begun to see the Obama strategy come full circle. Why would we have when he could just stand quietly in the background while the animals of the zoo (also known as the GOP primary candidates) tore each other to shreds. Now that we're closer to truly having a head to head matchup, Obama can open up the vault door to the massive 100 million dollar war chest and start laying out his strategy slowly and deliberately. Then you'll see the full force of his ground game and ability to win re-election.

    The GOP will be in for a rude awakening unless a miracle happens. I mean, Obama's become more popular over the last 4 months simply because the right keeps opening it's mouth about him and each other. Our nation IS on the road to recovery and more progress is seen every day. Despite what should be a globally crippling economic situation in Europe, the US continues to show signs of improvement on all fronts. So unless there is a catastrophic shift in the wrong direction economically, there is no way ANY GOP candidate can win election this year. That is the ONLY thing that will cause Obama to lose, and it's more and more unlikely everyday. Sorry folks, but prepare yourself for 4 more years.

    If you want a hint as to how election cycles tend to work, study the history of economic cycles. With few exceptions, the trends are that when the economy is good, the incumbent or incumbents party gets re-elected. When times are bad, the opposite is almost always true, no matter what other policies are in place. The way to look at it as a predictable measure is by looking at when the last down cycle happened. Usually, recessions come along every 4-6 years, with a recovery following it. The length of the recovery is based on the steepness of the fall, with bigger falls meaning longer recoveries. This actually favors a president who enters office during a downtime. The great recession of 08 couldn't have happened at a better time for Obama. It carried him to election over the incumbent party, and it was bad enough that we are still in recovery mode before the next downturn happens (and it will happen no matter the policies or who's in charge). Back in 08 I actually saw the writing on the wall that we were in for at least 2 rough years economically (no matter what Obama did) but that things would start to improve and improve through the back two years of his term, meaning that he was almost guaranteed a 2nd term (just like Bush after the 02 recession). What the right needs to worry about is that the next economic down cycle (again, out of the presidents control) might happen shortly after his re-election, meaning that recovery will once again happen in the back two years of his 2nd term. If that is the case, you better start making your Biden 2016 signs now, because the left could be in for a long set of elections.

    "It's the economy stupid". That term is absolutely true. It's what got Bush 1 elected and then thrown out after 1 term. It's what got Clinton re-elected but also allowed Bush to keep Gore out. It's what doomed Carter but it's what will carry Obama to a 2nd term. So go ahead and keep making moral arguments. Keep shouting loudly about this thing or that. Just remember what, for better or worse, what presidential elections boil down to. If the Dow hits 14000 in early November, don't be surprised to see Congress AND the presidency all swing left once again. But also don't be surprised to see the right take back the House in 2014 if the next cycle starts at or about that time.
     
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    The phrase "sooner or later" does imply that he could always use that strategy later. Which he will preferably when someone from the Romney campaign has a gaff that causes his leadership to become an issue. I believe the attempt to point out Romney would not have given the order to go after Osama bin Laden, and that Romney seemed to say he would have let the auto industry die in recent days by the Obama administration is the infant stage of telling the narrative "Peggy" is talking about.
     
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    Proving we are truly a pathetic nation.
     
  9. Taxcutter

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    Can the Eater of Dogs run on his record?

    We know him and we know his record.

    His record stinks.
     
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    If only he WOULD run on his record...
     
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    Here's the thing. If he ran on his record the last 3 years versus the GOP (both in the House and executive branch) over the last 11 years, Obama wins in a landslide. On one hand, you have a patient (the GOP) that's 600 pound overweight, smokes like a chimney and drinks like a sailor, and on the other hand, you Obama, the patients doctor, doing what he can to lesson the disaster the GOP has created, all while the patient continues to do abusive things to themselves and those around them. It's not Obama's fault that the right is continuing to undermine our countries stability and prosperity at every turn, especially after they set off C-4 on the nation up to 2008. Just because he hasn't completely "cured" every single problem the right created does not mean he isn't the better choice for a 2nd term over Romney. He's steering us in the better direction by far, and maybe if we could get 20 years or so of unfettered, uninterrupted left wing leadership we could prove it. As it stands, we've had 30 years of right wing leadership almost exclusively and look how great that's turned out.
     
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    You keep believing that while you search for toilet paper when we are a communist country. Don't you dare believe he has ANY Marxist tendencies...none at all. he is as pure as the driven snow, can do no wrong...the Anointed One, the great and Mighty Obama, can leap tall buildings in a single bound while making jokes to the press corps. yep, he's the man alright!
     
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    You don't know a Marxist policy from the holes in your head. Seriously, you guys continually throw out terms like "liar", "Marxist", "Muslim", "destructive", "terrible" "worst president", etc. etc. as blanket, ignorant terms and absolutely no substance to prove your stance. I've never once seen a coherent thought come with those attacks, just some "gut" feeling you had before the man even took office, that you continually scour the extreme right wing news feeds (and ONLY the extreme right wing news feeds) for any inkling of affirmation of your gut feelings. Just because you've remained pridefully convinced (see: ignorant) of the truth about Obama's record, policies and leadership does not make it so, simply because you use hateful, unsubstantiated rhetoric to back it up. Nice try though.
     
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    Another thread in another forum presented a bill of particulars against Obama in the form of 25 statistical facts.

    BTeamBomber offers phoney condescension.
     
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    The Dog Eater runs from his record.
     
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    You had your chance with FDR and Truman and look at the mess they put us into.
     

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