* BREAKING: Cruz' eligibility going to court !

What is racial about it? The argument was about the origin of his birth related to his Islamic heritage. If anything, it was religiously motivated.

And I don't care if you don't like the "slur". You pulled it! This had to do with people inferring from his book that he claimed he was born outside the US and that he lived with his Islamic family overseas. If you see that as "race", than the word needs to change its meaning, or you need to see reality.

 

First, I was talking about xenophobia....not race.

Second, VERY FEW Republicans are voting for a black man.....Dr. Carson's political fortunes have been as bad as Herman Cain's and Alan Keyes'.

Third, if Trump wins the Nomination......the GOP will have voted for Yet Another White Male.

And that "Hillary is old" meme will also be destroyed...as Trump is OLDER than Hillary.

 

What "Islamic" family are you talking about? His mother was an atheist and so was his stepfather. When he lived in Indonesia until the 3rd grade he attended a Catholic school and a co-ed Dutch International school..

Isn't it a bit late for you to get the facts?

 

Why's that?

 

His mother is not his entire family...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

Just because only his FATHER didn't practice islam, doesn't negate the fact that the family he LIVES IN does.

Please quit lying.

 

That's because Ted counted on Birthers being hypocrites....and he wasn't disappointed.

Chief of "Birther Central"...World Net Daily's Joe Farah announced months ago that (contradicting previous WND positions) a foreign-born Candidate IS eligible to be President.

Orly Taitz and a few others have remained "principled"...but 95% of the rest of Birthers showed that their attacks on Obama were either partisan or racially based.

 

I hope the Court decides that Cruz is not eligible to run.

 

Wait, I thought Obama was a "radical Black Liberationist CHRISTIAN"....you know, Reverand Wright?

No....wait.....during the contraception mandate fight on Obamacare, the Right said Obama was a "religion-hating ATHEIST"


You guys are so confusing sometimes.

 

You are not suggesting people in the GOP vote for Ben Carson simply because he is black are you? In my opinion the guy is an idiot savant that thinks he gets special treatment because of the color of his skin. Be thankful the guy is getting run out of the race.

 

Before getting all excited the first issue that the court is going to have to review is the "standing" of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. As we've seen based upon the numerous cases of "birthers" filing lawsuits against Obama they were all tossed out due to "lack of standing" by the plaintiffs. Without establishing standing the lawsuit effectively goes nowhere.

In point of fact, while it hasn't been completely settled we do have Supreme Court precedent when it comes to natural born citizenship in the case of the United States v Wong Kim Ark where the Supreme Court opinion cited the 14th Amendment's express requirement of "born in the United States... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" as being the basis for natural born citizenship related to Wong Kim Ark. As the Supreme Court ruled in that case statutory laws could not deny Wong Kim Ark of his (natural born) citizenship and he was a natural born citizen, under the criteria of the 14th Amendment, because he was born in California and California was a state and he was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government because he did not fall into the excluded groups (i.e. the child of a foreign invading army of occupation or entitled to diplomatic immunity).

So, based upon that decision, we know our statutory laws cannot deny natural born citizenship and while not enumerated in that opinion of the Supreme Court it could logically be assumed that natural born citizenship cannot be established by statutory laws either. Ted Cruz is a US citizen based upon the statutory laws of Congress contained in Title 8 of US code and was not born in the United States (nor subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when born) so he doesn't meet either of the criteria expressly enumerated in the 14th Amendment for citizenship established without any statutory requirement (i.e. natural born citizenship).

Once agian though the problem remains that, so far, no one has ever been able to establish standing except in the case of the US v Wong Kim Ark.

Perhaps the only person that would have standing is Ted Cruz himself then only if he's denied a place on the ballot in any state. Of course any State Board of Elections could arbitrarily decide to refuse to allow Cruz on the ballot citing the 14th Amendment in which case then Ted Cruz could file a lawsuit based upon that denial to be on the ballot. I don't believe there's anyway to dispute that Cruz would have standing in such a case. The problem is that it's unlikely that any State Board of Elections will refuse to include Cruz on the ballot.

As much as I'd like to see it happen to clarify the issue I don't believe it will happen and like the previous "birther" lawsuits the two being represented in this case are unlikely to have standing which is necessary for the lawsuit.

 

No doubt. But I still think it a poor political decision by Cruz to not get this taken care of long ago. Doesn't matter what I believe, he had to know his opponents would use this against him. It is slightly different than Obama's case, as Obama claimed stateside birth. I agree though that if one claimed Obama was born in Kenya, that Cruz' situation and Obama's would have been much more similar, and that it would be difficult to reconcile a different opinion for each.

 

No....I hope Cruz crashes and burns because REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS reject him....

especially if they reject him for Trump.

 

Where did I say any of that? And we is "you guys"? We were discussing the cause of the birther conspiracy. I'm sorry but I'll have to ask for your relevance to our two comments? Or did you mean to respond to someone else?

 

Look in the mirror when you say that.

 

Not sure I see the "difference" you're talking about.

What is the "difference" between a Birther thinking that the President was not born in the United States.....and a Birther thinking the President was born in a foreign country???

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Well, which is it?

Is Obama a

A. "radical CHRISTIAN"?

B. "secret MUSLIM"?

C. "religion-hating ATHEIST"?

And remember, to the Obama Derangement Syndrome Right....you can't contradict the other answers.

 

You would think that he would have 'handled' the birther thing before running. He either thinks he is above scrutiny, or he knows that he is not eligible to be the prez. Cruz has known for many years he was going to run for Prez. Why wouldn't he take care of the small details before he ran.

I heard that Rubio may have some birther issues too. Just a rumor.

 

It is all part of the larger narrative. With Obama, folks were claiming that his birth certificate was a fake. That, in itself, entails far more potential for mayhem than if Obama had a Kenyan bc, just as Cruz has a Canadian one, in terms of being parallel situations.

 

OK Margot, you are an expert in world of yours, but in the real world Laurence H. Tribe, a university professor and a professor of constitutional law at Harvard still means something. His opinion matters nationwide, your opinion matters only to you. See the difference?


Under Ted Cruz’s own logic, he’s ineligible for the White House
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...oking-glass/zvKE6qpF31q2RsvPO9nGoK/story.html

 

He evidently made a choice to not get it better handled sooner.

 

And how, precisely, could he have accomplished that?

 

When one US citizen is the parent of a child outside CONUS, that child is immediately a US citizen, given a US birth certificate of "birth abroad", and immediately issued a SSN.

I know personally.

 

Nobody thinks that way on the right. You need to shift your focus away from Trump and concentrate more on Bernie Girl the Feminist, and Shillary.

 

OK, but that doesn't mean Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen. It makes him a 100% Naturalized American - which means he is not eligible to run for president.

 

Stanley, his mom, was also a hooker or a stripper. Very fine role model.