Breaking Current Event California Makes Elective Reparative Therapy Illegal

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Silhouette, May 31, 2012.

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Should a child be able to get reparative therapy if s/he desires it?

  1. No, once gay, no matter how they got there, stay there.

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  2. Maybe, if the child was molested and has compulsions from that.

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  3. Yes, any therapy chosen by the patient should be availible

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  4. Yes, I thought anyone could choose any type of orientation they want, even to change it.

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  1. Silhouette

    Silhouette New Member

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    Even if an adolescent or child was molested, knows he was molested and has unwanted homosexual compulsions as a result of that forced-imprinting, he may not legally be able to access any therapy that teaches him his compulsions are foisted and if he so chooses can be changed. So get that kids? Now once you're molested by a gay person in California, you MAY NOT GET THERAPY FOR IT, if that therapy suggests your unwanted homosexual compulsions resulting from the assaults is not what you naturally were "born to be".

    Amazing. The crime of cyclic-pedophilia is now officially a mandate in California. Don't forget to celebrate Harvey Milk/Gay Day there!

    Gays are controlling science itself. Wow. Just wow...

    And while you're letting that sink in, the supposed impetus for this new law "gay teen suicide" has not yet been fully studied as to why gay teens commit suicide...especially if they were molested as boys or girls.

    Read this link and let the ramifications of SB 1172 sink in... http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/188457-gay-teen-suicide-range-causes.html

    Let's not understand what's happening. Let's just keep passing laws that corral vulnerable youth straight into the chute of gay sex without choice. Imagine being plagued by memories of being molested by a same-gendered adult, learning to enjoy that sex [molestees often do], becoming imprinted to that sexual compulsion and wanting a normal life at the same time?

    Now you're stuck and may not get therapy...even if your very life depends on it.
     
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    Ironic...

    Well guess what big guy? California just slammed that door shut in children's faces. Now, if they were able to confront those unwanted compulsions as kids, maybe they wouldn't have nightmares and suicidal behaviors as adults or older teens.

    Jesus H. Christ California...do you just sit around figuring out what makes sense and then do the opposite just out of spite or sheer stupidity?
     
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    And just in case California forgot what the experts are saying about cyclic pedophilia...

    If you're caught in this cycle in California, you're screwed, literally, figuratively and now LEGALLY.. For there is no hope for you little ones...
     
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    you can still get therapy for molestation in CA....how stupid
     
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    Remember- all of this is Harvey Milk's fault.....
     
  7. Colombine

    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reparative "therapy" does not work.

    The one person (who is quoted endlessly by the social conservative noise machine) who ever lent any credibility to the claim that it might work has now denounced that claim.

    http://www.advocate.com/health/2012...ert-spitzer-puts-his-apology-gay-people-video

    Every major medical and social scientific body in the whole of the developed world holds the same opinion.

    People who have suffered genuine trauma as a result of childhood sexual abuse are not barred from seeking treatment for issues arising from that abuse. That is simply a mean-spirited and devisive lie which impugnes the very good work carried out by respected medical personnel.

    The people who carry out this kind of "therapy" are not barred from doing the exact same thing but they must call it faith healing (because that's what it is) or something else which does not give lie to the fact that it has grounding in any credible scientific basis.
     
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    im not sure why shes always attacking Korean War Veteran, Navy officer Harvey Milk....

    maybe its hatred of the military?

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Silhouette

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    Hey none of you gay advocates voted to keep kids gay. Go ahead and add your votes at the top.

    Not if it includes the topic of ridding the child of unwanted homosexual compulsive behavior you can't. It's now illegal and parents can get in trouble if they seek it out. Also the law effectively ties the hands of therapists to help such a child afflicted in such a way by having been molested. Did you read the OP where "Groups representing psychiatrists and psychologists still oppose the measure" ? That's because banning someone who, for whatever reason, THEMSELVES want to change their orientation via therapy is antithetical to the practice of psychology.

    In other words this is unprecedented. For the first time we have laypeople dictating to psychologists as a matter of strongarm law what they can and cannot discuss with their patients. That's putting kids in a mental lockdown. And that's about as sick as it gets. No wonder "gay" kids are killing themselves right and left.. People tend to do that when they feel there's no way out of their brutal and unrelenting angst. Even while "supported" by "a loving community that wants them to embrace it"...

    Wow wow wow....totally as twisted as it gets. You can choose to go gay but BY GOD you WILL NOT be allowed to choose not-gay...
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You missed an option in your poll:

    Reparative therapy has no clinical basis and should not be sold as if it has.
     
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    This is quite true.
     
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    Apparently you believe that straights can go gay but gays can't go straight. If an individual child has UNWANTED homosexual compulsive behavior as a result of being molested, that child MAY NOT receive any therapy by law in California that attempts to rid him of HIS OWN UNWANTED homosexual compusions. ie: if you're a boy or girl molested by a male or female respectively and show the classic acting-out signs of that imprintation in unwanted homosexual compulsions, then you MAY NOT receive any therapy in California to help you rid yourself of those compulsions until you turn 18...and by then they will be so completely ingrained as to be part of your character. The hoped-for result of this legislation undoubtedly.

    You wonder why people are so-called homophobic; wonder no more.. Oh, and you're required to emulate homosexuality in schools there too kids. And the main hero of that movement was a gay man who preyed on drug-addicted and mentally ill youngsters. California. Don't go there until they clean up their act. Couldn't be simpler. Let them stand by their "morals" with their money...or lack of it..
     
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    No, one does not go from straight to gay or gay to straight. One suppresses the other until a point.

    They may receive sexual counseling by a psychiatric expert as per state requirement, probably.

    Pure ignorance or trolling, not sure what your posts are.
     
  14. Colombine

    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know what I believe quite well without your twisted and distorted projections clouding up the picture. I make my case clearly and succinctly and plain for all to see. It doesn't need you spicing things up or making up your own facts and attributing them to me.

    Rubbish, if a child has issues relating to sex abuse of course he can be treated by a licensed therapist. This is about parents taking their kids to quacks because THEY have issues with their child's sexuality and want to fix their gay son or daughter which modern, accredited, medicine unanimously understands cannot be done.

    Nonsense, children who have been molested have no barrier to receiving appropriate medical help.

    Yes I honestly do wonder why some people can be so shockingly homophobic and no one more so than you as you have demonstrated at every turn.
     
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    Catenaccio, so if you've suppressed being straight as a "gay person" then it's OK to get reparative therapy to help you adjust back into the world of "straight" that you were born to be? Or does that only work the other way around? Would you say that lipstick lesbians [attracted to butch lesbians] and tough gays or "top" gays attracted to feminine "bottom" gays would be excellent candidates for this suppressed realization later on? I would..

    Ok so bear in mind that now in California if you're say a boy and molested at age 8 or 9 and have unwanted compulsive sexual attraction to males by age say 12 or 13 that you don't want anymore, you cannot get therapy to change that. Period.

    But THIS type of 'therapy' is legal in California...the pre-genital mutilation collective-delusion induction therapy inflicted on kids as young as 11, with chemical alteration legally prescribed by doctors no less of a child's natural gender [what they see between their legs]. All you need is a permission slip from parents to get the ball rolling. [ You can't get help for the molested boy's unwanted homosexual compulsion though even with parental permission..by law..]

    [I know it's confusing but here's the actual legal sexually-related therapy a child can get:]


    >> In short the picture is very clear. If you want to change a child from straight to GLBT then all the laws in the world will be on your side and it's "healthy, natural and normal" to do so. But if you try to assist a child to change from LGBT back to straight it's illegal and "immoral, unnatural, and harmful" to do so. So there really isn't promotion of a child's right to his own sexual destiny. This is cult induction, sanctioned by the state of California and nothing less...
     
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    You're continuing to lie. No one is saying you cannot get help. No one is preferentially treating one sexual orientation.

    It's a simple legal act of prohibiting a practice widely-criticized by medical professionals with no known medical benefit and well-documented psychological detriments.
     
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    Repeated sexual trama at an early age especially around puberty causes PTSD, its very simple, kids who are molested are conflicted about the abuse, the pleasure coupled with the trauma and the repeated exposure begins to break down the normal functions within the brain and the child starts down self destructive roads.
     
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    Reparative therapy does not work and yet you continue to talk about it as if it does ignoring even the one expert who at one point said it might and now retracts even that statement.


    I know you would but the problem is you don't know what you're talking about.

    Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true. Period.
     
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    Let's see if I'm lying...Here's the statement from the article from the OP. Follow the link for verifying the quote:

    Whew! Glad I wasn't lying... Just had to be sure though.. Then I guess helping a child change from straight to gay is also prohibited...as would be the lesbian's boy and urging him to change from a boy to a girl with mutilating surgery and the chemical castration that he's now currently undergoing?
     
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    No, you're lying, and you know it:

    This bill seeks to ban a form of junk science known as reparative therapy.
     
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    You read my last post I assume? You agree that any therapy assisting changing a child from straight to gay is also illegal in California then? If a child wants to change his sexual orientation, it goes both ways, right? No can do in California.
     
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    Any of this therapy, specifically outlined by this bill, should be prohibited.
     
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    No no no no no no no....I asked YOU if you agreed that changing a child from straight to gay should also be deemed harmful and fall under the language of not changing his sexual orientation with therapy. Answer the question. Is it also illegal now to assist a child with therapy to help him change from straight to gay? Yes or no?
     
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    You are asking me to interpret this law for you, why? Sounds pretty stupid. Can't you read?
     
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    Answer the question. Is it OK then to ban therapy assisting straight kids to go gay? It's just a simple yes or no. Like to see where you're at on that.
     

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