Brennan: I Didn’t Mean That Trump Committed Treason

What then is the other assumption being made that is just as ridiculous? That russia spent a few hundred million in social media, against around a billion for clinton, and russia is such a genius as to actually change an election using social media? That is like saying Alex Jones changed an election.

Russia wishes it was so powerful as to spend a paltry sum and change an election outcome. No one in their right mind would buy into the assumption that you are making. Not a logical, rational, reasonable mind. It is just absurd.

Yet in desperation, some minds are all too willing to accept this absurdity. I don't see how a sane mind can see it any differently. The degree of russian influence in social media is like an ant climbing up an elephant's hind leg, screaming, "RAPE!" That is the degree of absurdity involved with these other assumptions. And that is what is ridiculous.

 

Except that I didn't make that assumption and you are using a straw man arguement to deflect from your own logical failure. And please don't try the next stupid arguement that will pretend that saying Russia attempted to influence the election is the same as saying that Russia changed the election outcome.

 

How would one factually establish this? I want to know the methods involved. It is an assumption, nothing more than that. And it would only apply to independents, for no one would change the mind of a hillary supporter, nor of a trump supporter. How many americans, the dumb ones, are there who hold out to the very end, for they still have not decided? Hell, we cannot even determine those numbers! We know they exist, but how many of them are there? And then how many of these dimwits actually were affected by what russians said in social media? We simply don't know if any were. For how would you determine it? Poll every voter in the US? And then trust that they were not hillary voters who would lie through their teeth, to prove what they already believe? See the problem?

So I call BS. This cannot be realistically determined, what you said. It is therefore nothing but an assumption. They may have affected some people, who live on social media, or they may not have affected one single vote. That is the fact of the matter. Unless you have a scientific manner of giving evidence to the contrary. Which you probably do not.

 

So you're suggesting that the whack-o who went into the pizzeria to free the children being held by the Clinton's for their ring of pedophiles was the only, single person in the entire United States that all of Russia's meddling got to. You don't know and neither do I. If advertising didn't work you will have to explain why the candidates spent millions if not billions of dollars advertising.

 

How in the world did you get there, from what I wrote? ha ha

You are talking conspiracy theory, while I am rooted in reality. You did not address my question. How would one prove that russia, using social media, actually swung an election, or affected it enough to determine outcome? Instead of answering a most relevant question, you went into a pizza place and child molesters.

Russia's activity in social media does evidence something though. They were trying to inject some disorder into an election. And so after trump won, they organized an anti trump rally. So, they tried to elect trump, but then they tried to take him down, too? It isn't an incoherence really, it is an attempt, using relative small sums of money, to foment disorder in the US. And something that we do as well. It is as common as salt.

But whether this actually affected outcome is unknowable. No matter what you want to believe. Rationality, reason, logic is on my side here, not yours.

I think you are giving russia far too much credit, for some reason. I would give them credit only if they hacked our election machines and changed votes. Russia has meddled for years, as we have in their elections. Did they elect obama? Bush Jr? How about bill clinton? Or was it just one person, trump, that they elected? Or one person they beat, hillary? This is IMO, still in the area of nonsense.

 

I thought you stated that russia affected votes, determining outcome? That is an assumption but perhaps it was the good Cap'n that I am also responding to on this topic?

If you did not assume something, calling it fact, then yes, I screwed up. So the ball is in your court sir. I sure thought you did. And if so, you are now deflecting, which is a very intellectually dishonest thing to do, something I try hard never to do.( I don't always succeed) I need to reread the post I responded to, to see if you are being deceitful now, or if I got you confused with the other guy.

 

Ok, second response to you, after your accusations of me creating a straw man.

So, you are assuming(and I did not create a straw man) that the vote was influenced in other ways than tampering with voting machines. This is what you implied, that russia can influence votes in other ways. What other ways? Propaganda?

No sir, your accusations of me creating a straw man, is just deflection, for you could not rationally address what I said. I think the intellectual dishonesty here is on your side and I will of course note this, for future reference. That you are not trustworthy intellectually. Unless you can of course prove to me that you are, in a rational, logical manner.

 

The inflation is always rising during economic growth... it has to. Doh...

 

It doesn't prove that at all. You said Uranium One couldn't move anything out of the US at all and now you admit that was bs so
it's to be expected the left lies their asses off and can't admit what Barry and Hillary did for Russia.
Go ahead and bury your head in the ground...it suits you.

 

Putin has admitted wanting trump to win so it's a safe bet that all the rubles they spent weren't to help hillary. I gather it is your opinion that advertising doesn't work..You could have told trump that advertising was nonsense and it would have saved him just short of 1 billion dollars in advertising costs.

 

Add the debt & energy prices to the GOV inflation number and your doh, is steroid approved.

Cheers.

 

Actually here is what I said:


" That claim that uranium was turned over to the Russians has gone stupid a long time ago. Do a little research and find out what clearance is required to export uranium and the report back with your newly acquired knowledge.

That said it is deeply shocking to realize that we approved of sending yellowcake to our allies in Canada and Europe. What were we thinking"

If you must debate out of ignorance at least please do not lie about what I actually said.

 

Nope you missrepresented what I said and I called you on it. Sorry if getting caught using a straw man arguement offends you, but you should learn from your mistakes and become a more honest poster.

And what I said was Russia attempted to influence the vote which once again you misstated as I claimed or implied that Russia influenced the vote. Either you can't read, or can't understand what you read or you can't debate what I actually said. Pick one or all.

 

Yeah, Nothing changes at all but thanks for pointing out once again that you were wrong when you said Uranium One could not move their product out of the United States as part of the terms of the deal (wrong....and you now admit they did) and you were wrong when you said this proves nothing was sent to Russia.
Nothing of the kind has been established.
We know yellowcake was sent to Canada and to Europe. We don't know that Russia was not the end of that line.

So who has been lying here? If one of us did, as you claim, it wasn't me.
If you insist on shining a light on this then you are the one standing in the spotlight.

 

Ah yes... let’s go back to Obama years of shovel ready jobs, lots of part time jobs and stagnant economy?

 

The economy was recovering from Bush's disaster and growing, actually.

 

And got so much better under Trump?

Thank you, President Trump.

 

Doing all right despite Trump's best efforts, though there have been wild fluctuations in the markets and a lot of grumbling about those, and now also about the effect he is having on the dollar through his public complaints about Fed interest rate policy. His "easy" trade wars are harming some to help others. His taxation and spending levels are keeping the deficit at historic highs.

 

Did you have a problem reading what I actually said? If you are going to continue to lie about what I said without of course being able to back up your claim it would seem your credability is going to continue it's path to zero.

And since you are claiming that uranium was sent to Russia it is rather hilarious that you are now claiming it is my responsibility to disprove that lie.

 

Actually under Trump it just continued the trend started by Obama. You can't find one single economic chart that changed trajectory or even significantly changed path under Trump. The only thing you can legitimatly give Trump credit for is he has not yet screwed up the Obama recovery.

The above of course excludes the chart of national debt which has increased significantly under Trump.

 

It's funny, with all the Manafort and Cohen news there hasn't been much talk about the trade war.

 

As usual with those that are afflicted with cognitive dissonance you fail to understand and then pin your ignorance on me.
I never said uranium was being shipped to Russia.

I said it was being shipped out of the US, despite promises and assurances
it could not be, and was being sent to Europe. That's what the news source you have accepted says.
And you said that was proof that Russia was not getting the uranium it bought from the US and the Obama administration.
Not Trump. Obama. And it's not proof of that at all!

It's rather ironic and educational to consider Europe is a large land mass with many nations and Russia's uranium could be sent anywhere inside that area....no one is saying specifically where in Europe. I find that interesting. Very interesting.

At any rate you are very wrong again. And it's tiresome. Aren't you tired of getting things wrong also?

 

That's a side step when debate can no longer counter.

Cheers.

 

Considering Trump has canceled and/or reversed significant number of Obama's economic policies, and the country did not go to hell, I'd be hard pressed to say anything good about Obama's economic policies.

You?

 

No, it is you who sidestep and hopak every time you can't address the poster in a meaningful way. A way of life, I'd say.