Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson

What an example of the lengths the powerful ruling elite will go to in order to impose their will on the people and disenfranchise the voters.

If the votes are pointless, then why have so many countries had them, and why is there a process defined by the EU for voting over staying/leaving the EU?

Its not surprising to see that elections in the EU are as big a scam as they are in the USA.

 

It's funny to see American right wingers comment on this without any knowledge. Just buzzwords. Oh well...

 

Without any knowledge? That's your dodge today? You cannot argue the proposition that the EU rulers are in control and elections are a scam so you resort to a dodge.

Remember, you started this thread, you presented the link, under the pretense it was something to discuss.

 

The EU has nothing to do with this. Are you actually arguing that one of the oldest legal systems is corrupted because you disagree with the ruling?
Get a grip of reality and come back.

 

What "complex decisions"?
The great British people simply decided they didn't want to be ruled by the EU mushbrains any more, so we voted to get out!
As Trump said- "I think it's great, they got their country back"
Now Americans have got the chance to get their country back from the Washington swamp by putting Don in the WH to drain it..
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For one, how about the complex decision about tariffs? Nissan had to be bribed with a promise of free trade into the EU. Perhaps the government should have asked the EU first as they are the only ones who control that. What happens if they say no? Are the UK going to subsidise a foreign company? What happens if Trump wins and goes ahead with his unthought about policy of tariffs on all imports - there goes are main customer? Then the idiotic suggestion about the 'massive ' commonwealth countries - dur, they are on the other side of the world and are significantly poorer than the countries we trade with now - they are not going to buy our products - we buy from them - we cannot afford to lose the tax imposed on those imports

 

Utter rubbish, it was clear what the referendum was about from the outset, it was clear that a vote to leave would have a direct effect on our membership of the single market and anyone who didn't believe that are living in cloud cuckoo land, and no it was not an advisory referendum, again that was made clear from the start. The PM was given a clear mandate by the people that the majority wanted out, and as far as those who decided not to vote then their opinion on the matter is irrelevant in my opinion ... they had the chance, just like the rest of us, to mark the card and couldn't be bothered to do so.

Obscure PM ...what a joke that is, if you knew anything about her and her career you would realise how inane your comment is.

I see you have a Crystal ball or inside information, otherwise where did you get this information that we are going to "break with 40 years of laws, regulations and cooperation." Or is it more to the truth that you are just repeating what you have been told to say?

I respect dissenting opinion when it is based in reality, I respect the court's decision ... I certainly think they are wrong .... and know that it won't make the slightest difference to the core result of the referendum, which after all, whether you like it or not, was a majority in favour of leaving the EU ... it is quite funny that you think that the people who voted to leave have no respect for law given that the EU has little to no respect for English law, and those who still want to over turn the referendum have no respect for the will of the majority.

 

Don's brilliant business brain is ideally suited to handle America's economy; the Nat Debt almost doubled under Obama you know..

 

Sorry just passing through and noticed the thread title. Isn't "Titanic success" a textbook example of an oxymoron?

 

Rubbish, where do you get your information from, please cite where you get that Nissan were bribed.

The EU have zero control over whether the UK has zero tariffs with Nissan once we leave the EU and if you think the German car manufacturers, the French wine exporters etc are going to allow the EU to place punitive tariffs on the UK knowing full well that we will do the same to them, then you are more delusional than you appear. The cost to the EU far out ways the cost to the UK, and the EU cannot do it anyway unless they violate their own treaty terms, they cannot impose tariffs any greater than they charge other non EU country which by the way is an average of just over 1%.

Some of the fastest growing economies in the world are members of the Commonwealth which we have been forbidden by the EU to negotiate with. So far 27 countries have made enquires concerning trade deals with the UK post brexit, of the world's top ten largest economies only two, France and Italy have not yet made moves towards a deal, the total GDP of those countries is nearly $50 trillions, compared to the $16 trillion of the EU.

 

Meanwhile the UK losing it's main trading partner due to the tariffs imposed on our exports - but hey, we are going to have free trade with India and Barbados.

 

I actually feel sorry for Americans, they have a choice between a bombastic racist and a opportunist liar, neither of which are fit to be president.

 

Clearly you don't know how tariffs work. The importing country sets tariffs. The EU has 10% tariffs on cars from outside EU.

Nissan were bribed :
Nissan confirmed a major investment in its Sunderland site after assurances the Government was committed to securing continued tariff-free access to EU markets, the Business Secretary has said.

It was the word "support" that had proved controversial, as the carmaker had threatened to put the brakes on new UK-built models following the EU referendum without assurances of compensation for any new trade tariffs.

http://news.sky.com/story/nissan-deal-followed-uks-vow-to-fight-for-tariff-free-eu-trade-10638451

The UK cannot assure that free trade on car exports into the EU

 

Do you know what assurances even means, assurance means "a positive declaration intended to give confidence." ... basically the government has stated they will do all that they can to secure continued tariff-free access to EU markets and Nissan have confidence in the UK negotiators that they can deliver, and as I said if you think that the German car manufacturers are going to allow the EU to impose a 10% tariff on UK car imports knowing full well that the UK will do the same to German car imports then you are living in a fantasy.

 

No, I agree any system that permits the majority to make decisions allows the people to be stupid. They just shoud not then whine about the results.

 

The British government has made no attempt to override the Btexit vote. They are just trying to plan in a way to minimize the economic damage.

 

I was trying to explain to the less educated the difference between a single issue referendum and an election. Sorry you didn't understand.

 

This is not what the OP is claiming but I hope you're right and I hope you sincerely believe this is the right thing to do even if you disagree with the outcome of the referendum. Your british liberal comrade is unfortunately salivating that the result of the referendum may be overturned and ignored by the british ruling classes. I do hope you're better than that.

 

I don't think people know what this ruling was about. It is about Democracy. Theresa May wanted to give herself a Royal prerogative over Article 50. She wanted to be able to ignore Parliament and act as a King. You can read more about that here Had this been allowed it would have resulted in rights enacted in Parliament being swept aside and of course this totalitarian way of working would then be set in motion for future use. The last King to try and give himself this right had his head cut off. So all this is about is safeguarding our democracy.

However there is another component to this. The UK unlike the US has a justice system which is completely separated from Politics. As this article says the attempt of the low level tabloids to stir up hatred for the justice system is itself an attack on one of the most fundamental equalisers in British society - and itself an attack on democracy. The case was to stop our Parliament from acting unconstitutionally.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uk-judges-brexit-press-judiciary-constitution

That article also deals with the difference between the relationship of the judiciary to politics in the US and here which may be the reason some American's believed this was a Political decision.

Whether you believe in Brexit or not, one would hope most people would not be wanting a situation where a Politician had the right to remove or impose acts of Parliament without the consent of that Parliament.

 

Indeed 'what complex decisions'! There are a lot of vested-interest individuals - mainly in the legal profession - gearing up to make it as complex and convoluted as possible in order to prolong what they know is going to be a very long gravy train. We owe nothing to the EU, and we should leave immediately and not look back. They've had quite enough of our tax pounds (trillions?) over the decades and enough is enough!

 

Indeed, the parasites are as cunning as a wagonload of monkeys.

 

Why do you say about the economy? Are you for the extra pound is more important than national identity?
Crazy politicians in Europe have led to the degradation of the national consciousness of the peoples of Europe.
In Britain as well. For example, I could not even imagine that cannibals actually occupied Britain.
I do not know British customs, but I think that will soon disappear entirely indigenous peoples Britons.

Talking about the benefits - is like discussing new suit by Mack Quinn during a nuclear attack.

One minute a typical day on a normal street Birmingham. It's a horror.

[video=youtube;nKa9Bov6yNo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKa9Bov6yNo[/video]

What do you think, how many have to wait terrorist attacks in Britain?

 

Sorry to break up your racist delusions but leaving the EU has nothing to do with getting rid of people of different race/religion.

 

But this may limit the influx of cannibals, pedophiles and terrorists....but ... maybe you like someone else's culture.

 

Like I said, this thread is not about your racism. Start another thread if that is what you want to pull. The main people who will find themselves excluded are white East Europeans and they are the people, yes along with some other ethnic minorities who have been experiencing the increased xenophobic hate since the Brexit vote. This thread however has nothing to do with any ethnic minorities. It is to do with a court ruling to uphold the constitution of the UK. Having said that the immigrants who Brexiteers are complaining about are in the main white East Europeans but that xenophobia is not what this thread is about. Count to ten and find a thread where it is.