Very good; now please show us where in the link there is any reference to Mr. Burton being a "crazy Muslim". (Which you carefully edited out of your post since being found-out. Did you think we wouldn't notice?).
Read my post #199. I already posted that I confused the two events as a passenger did die but it was not the passenger who was yelling and screaming things specific to Islam as that man was subdued on board and arrested when the plane landed. The other man died. I did not attempt to hide anything and I quickly admitted my mistake which is a lot more than I can say for some other members. AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - Read my post #199. I already posted that I confused the two events as a passenger did die but it was not the passenger who was yelling and screaming things specific to Islam as that man was subdued on board and arrested when the plane landed. The other man died. I did not attempt to hide anything and I quickly admitted my mistake which is a lot more than I can say for some other members. AboveAlpha
The authorities here will eventually react to extremist behaviour. It's more the blind eye that is turned to the spread of aggressive but not necessarily extremist Islam. Islamics can preach their bile up to a point; aggressive Muslim leaders can say a lot unchallenged; it takes a lot to get someone off the streets. The unspoken message of "hands off Islam" is what is providing its fertile breeding ground. People are simply afraid to speak up. After the Paris atrocity, people are STILL apologising for and exculpating Islam. This is patently absurd, but the mindset is such that people will simply not dare poke their head above the parapet. Ultimately they may, but I don't know how many more Islamic atrocities it will take to see a change.
Well here in the States a person or group has the right of free speech as long as what is being discussed is not a seditious and traitorous rallying cry. There are millions upon millions of both Sunni and Shia Muslims living in the United States and even where I live in a beautiful rural wilderness of Western Massachusetts we have a number of Muslims living in my town some who are business owners. They are just like everyone else. I have been all over the world and I notice something very different in the way Muslims who come to the U.S. differ compared to Muslims who come to other Nations including the U.K. In the U.S. we have the most diversified population on planet Earth as our current 320 Million U.S. citizen population along with an additional 40 million guests and an additional 38 million illegals are in effect a microcosm of the worlds cultures, religions, races, ideologies...etc. But when people come here....and I have seen this firsthand as I have helped them in a charity I participate in....they come here with the sole purpose of becoming American's and the most important thing on their daily agenda besides eating is becoming an American Citizen. This is not the same in Europe where some may want to become a citizen of the U.K. but.....and I have witnessed this with my own eye's....many Muslims simply want to use the U.K. as a STAGING AREA for their own agendas. And what KILLS ME.....is YOU ALLOW IT!!! As a U.S. Citizen you can get a permit and march in a parade or have a large rally but such things happen for the purpose of informing other American's to the plight of others in need or to protest an injustice in order to help rectify the problem. What I have personally seen happening in Rallies and Protests in the U.K. is nothing short of SEDITION!!! I have heard Islamic Extremists at a rally in London call for the OVERTHROW OF THE PARLIAMENT and the EXECUTION OF THE PRIME MINISTER.....and this last one I could not believe my own ears.....these TERRORISTS....and that's what they were....called for the cutting off of the QUEENS AND HER SON AND GRANDSONS HEADS....and for their severed heads to be placed on PIKES in front of Parliament!!! And as crazy and alarming what I was hearing was what was even more crazy and alarming is the fact that the British Security Forces did....nothing....absolutely nothing!!!! It's time for the U.K. to WAKE UP!!!! AboveAlpha
Interesting that you see both sides of the pond. I have no personal experience of Muslims in the US (only been to Las Vegas and New York in the recent past). The UK is a highly secular country. This I am entirely in favour of, but I suspect that the religious vacuum is what provides the rich breeding ground for Islam. The US is far more religious, where even politicians dine out on their faith. I suspect this keeps the spread of Islam in check - it would simply never be tolerated in the US, whereas a secular country like the UK basically gives free rein to any wacko religion springing up. France even more so, where the country is actually constitutionally secular. The US is also fundamentally conservative, whilst the UK is far more centre left orientated, which breeds an attitude of sneering liberalism particularly within the media and public figures generally, where any sign of less the full acceptance of any minority interest is regarded with scorn as indication of bigotry and lack of education. Islam has acquired the status of pretty much untouchability - you can literally watch the politicians and the media falling over themselves to disassociate themselves from any idea that Islam might somehow to be to blame for anything at all - after the Charlie Hebdo massacres, Prime Minister David Cameron's first words were "Islam is a religion of peace". Talk about an insult to those who were killed! And after the recent Paris massacre, he said pretty much the same, although he added some warning caveats - I guess he realised the "religion of peace" line simply had lost any legs with the people as a whole. But on the discussion shows, it's all the same bullsh*t: Islam cannot be to blame - that is unthinkable. Blame anything else, but don't blame Islam. Blaming Islam is ignorant, and exculpating Islam is a sign of intelligence, wisdom and right-thinking. It's perplexing, flabbergasting and embarrassing.
And just to clarify on that: we are talking about a reasonably small but highly influential liberal elite, those who make the laws and broadcast on the airwaves. "Normal "people know what is going on. I was at a UK Independence Party event last week, audience of one thousand, all singing from the same hymn sheet to a man (and woman). It's not that British people are all idiots, but that a sneering libertarian mindset has developed amongst the law makers and comment drivers. Ordinary people are perfectly able to see the obvious problem of Islam.
Well in the U.S. there are ten's of thousands of Mosques all over the country and even after 9/11 there was only a few hate crimes where some idiots painted religious slurs in paint on the Mosques but unlike what is being taught in Mosques in the U.K. here in the U.S. the Iman's teach that such violence done by Muslims against others is wrong. People here really don't see others as far as what their religion is and even race has become a none issue in most of the nation but there will always be a few morons. But what I saw in the U.K. really has my Spider Sense TINGLING!!! I really do love the people of the U.K. and I have many friends there and I would hate for anything to happen to them but I have to tell you.....I see it coming!!! The U.K. has to crack down on these Extremists NOW.....AND I MEAN NOW!!! There is a big difference between freedom of speech and SEDITION!!! And make no mistake...they are planning something big. What the HELL has MI5 been doing for cripes sakes!!?? AboveAlpha
This really has nothing to do with whether one is Liberal or Conservative. If a few people in the U.K. were recorded discussing how they intended to break into a bank they would be arrested for CONSPIRACY!!! In this case you have a large group of people who are OPENLY PLANNING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED KINGDOM and they are RECRUITING right in your parks....on your streets....and even putting out DVD's on methods of insurgency, sedition and guerrilla and urban warfare!!! If this happened in the U.S. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WOULD BE ARRESTED!!! AboveAlpha
We've been dealing with terrorism on the UK mainland for decades and this is nothing new. What MI5 are doing is their job, and I doubt that they are going to advertise who they have caught or when and where, just to make headlines. This was two years ago:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/07/mi5-chief-34-uk-terror-plots-disrupted And from Monday 16 November: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...or-plot-in-the-last-three-weeks-a6736286.html
It has to do with Lib / Con in the sense that the UK is consumed by libertarianism in the corridors of power. This equates to "thou shalt tolerate, come what may". All very noble, but utterly counter productive and downright dangerous when your libertarianism requires you to be "tolerant" of even that which poses a threat. The US may also have its libertarians, but nothing like we have. And when you combine that noble quality with a sneering attitude of natural superiority and unquestionable right, you really are on a road to nowhere. When a sneering British libertarian tells you "Islam is a religion of peace", he's not offering an opinion for you to argue, he's stating a fact of existence. And when you face that off against the extremely easily argued premise that Islam is anything but a religion of peace, you have a terrible problem, because that very plausible contention will be met with fingers in ears, face screwed up and "no no I will not listen" coming out the mouth.
Actually there have been more than a few hate crimes extending beyond painting offensive slurs on mosques and quite a few murders. They do that in the UK too Not in my experience sigh Double sigh Something which the US needs to figure out Another of your predictions? If you knew then they wouldn't be doing their jobs properly. Can you tell me the difference between MI5 and MI6?
1. LOL!!!!!! AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - Don't ask such ridiculous questions. How the HELL would I know what the British version of the FBI is intending to do about this?? They have not done JACK S#!% yet!! AboveAlpha
MI5 cannot keep allowing these Muslim Extremists to have such large rallies in Britain because they are overtly discussing sedition and sooner or later some disgruntled Muslim is going to go to one of these rallies and what this Muslim hears being said there is going to be just enough to push him or her over the edge and then you are going to see some very violent terrorist activities going on ESPECIALLY in London. I hope to GOD I am wrong. But I see it coming and MI5 has to start rounding up anyone who is talking sedition. We would NEVER allow such a thing to happen in the States and I cannot understand why you are allowing it to go on?? AboveAlpha
That is another thing I and American's in general do not understand. This continual and ongoing internal social structure in the U.K. where the concept of Nobility and Royalty and those who are connected.....have what they say confirmed as either more important or more informed than those without any Noble connections. American's might enjoy reading about the Foley's and Dirt that goes on with the U.K. Monarchy and Nobility but as far as the entire concept of Monarchy and Nobility....well it makes American's want to puke. American's have a great aversion to such a thing as we feel anyone who has the best idea is the person to listen to not just because such a person might be a Nobble or a Royal. And the British Nobility and Royalty know this as they go way out of their way not to upset American guests with something we consider to be ridiculous and childish of need. But I am telling you....if MI5 does not stop these ongoing seditious Muslim Extremist rally's then sooner or later....most likely SOONER....there are going to be a string of Terrorist Attacks in the U.K. I hope to GOD that MI5 stays on top of the problem....but they are very late into this game and are playing catch up. AboveAlpha
Forgot about Chapel hill did you? I will because of the below response MI5 is not in any way, shape or form the equivalent of the US FBI. MI5 is a civil intelligence ministry and is responsible for intelligence gathering. MI6 has a similar function but acts outside of British borders. Btw try and understand the difference between boarders and borders as both have different meanings You mean as far as you can tell from trawling through the internet?
Yeah I've seen you post more or less the exact same thing before. Which to be honest is just insulting and patronising to a lot of Britons.
The only basic difference between the FBI and MI5 is that MI5 keeps it's agents name secret and they do not work overtly like the FBI. But essentially they do pretty much the same thing the FBI does. MI6 like the CIA is not supposed to operate in the U.K.....but they do anyways....just like the CIA operates in the U.S. even though it's not supposed to either. AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - It's a fact. Whether you like it or not. AboveApha
Even by default that still means that MI5 are a civil intelligence branch and not a law enforcement one I'm pretty sure that they don't Of course they can. Why did you believe otherwise? Even if I know that you're being dishonest?
The CIA and MI6 are not supposed to run op's in their respective nations of origin...but they both often do. And the FBI is both a civil intelligence branch and a law enforcement branch. MI5 is not an overt law enforcement branch but they still run op's like the FBI. And please...I really could care less what you think I am. As I have said...and as others have told you....my posting record speaks for itself. AboveAlpha
What makes you think that MI6 isn't supposed to work in the UK? Still not the same. You've pretty much just agreed with me. Then why are you so insistent on having me look at your posts. Only you have.
MI6 is not supposed to run op's in the U.K. but it depends on whether and what MI6 submits plans for operations to the foreign secretary and he decides which of those operations will be approved or not. AboveAlpha
Right ! - A bunch of Nuts in Zombie uniform - So what in Hell does it have to do with either Sharia or Islamic Jihadists ? Or is it just that Alpha & Cerebus feel compelled to spin it into an Rabid Irrational Mongering of their main HATE ? Poor Show Fellas
Ok. But you haven't actually answered the question. What makes you think that they are not supposed to work in the UK?
An internal directive from the House of Commons that was also passed through the House of Lords shortly after WWII stated that MI6 could not run op's in Britain unless it was allowed by the Foreign Secretary. But MI6 has been running op's in the U.K. without such authorization. AboveAlpha
An internal directive from parliament? No I don't think that's how it works. Show me which "directive"
