Britain Refuses Abbas’ Demand for Apology Over 1917 Balfour Declaration

lol @ cement for peace tunnels
Very funny.

I think they are trying to get Israel to return to Europe and have Palestine back.

I would like to say the difference between 70 years and 2,000 years is living memory. My story, not history. But this is less and less each day now. Who remembers 70 years ago? Who knows those who do?

The trouble is it didn't stop 70 years ago. It's not history.

The erosion of Palestinian land by imported settlers is on-going daily.
A settlement takes another farm, a peace wall, another, a no mans land another. on and on and on and only ever in one direction of travel. And for the Palestinians that direction is into the sea.
Make no mistake if game carries on under the current status quo, Palestinians will go the way of the native American.
That's where this ends.

They did nothing. Nothing to deserve this but resist it every way they can.

It's not even like the Muslim invasion of Europe, where Europeans willing let them in.
It was forced upon them. They have resisted to the maximum of their ability to do so. They are ****ed. Either someone helps them or they are gone. I'm thinking... gone.

 

Wasnt Israel never a name of a country? It's a name given to Jacob by God and the name of God's future kingdom on earth. Any time Israel is brought up it a reference those 2 things

 

US takes sacred land from the natives by force.
Natives try to go there but are barred from entering the land that was taking from them by force

You
WTF then, Indians are trying to return to America, the country they hate BTW?

 

@ fallen, understanding the problem isn't the same as working towards a solution.
What's the solution.

For me it's an end to Israel's open immigration policy. That is the root of the aggravation. All jews come and live here, there is room for you.
Well, no there isn't.
But they'd have to want to do that themselves.. and they won't. I think they prefer safety in numbers.

So that leaves containment. Arming their neighbours seems the best option for that. No one here wants to die for them. Not worth it.

 

I get it. But it's still wrong knowing the context of everything. The best course is return to pre 67 borders because that would be the middle ground for both sides.

But Israel of now doesn't want this. I don't think they want peace and actually view themselves as being in too high of a position to negotiate. They have all the cards. That's why they got super mad when Obama tried to compromise their position

The proper thing to do is give back all land taken illegally. Even before 67. But that's too much

 

And your position on agreements, giving Indian land (AKA reservations), that still belongs to Indians and is never encroached upon? And your position on agreements written into US law giving Indians independence, autonomy, self-governance? Which is never broken on a Government level?

 

@ Fallen

Who are you suggesting is willing to enforce those 1967 borders?
The only people physically capable I'm seeing is Isreal and they refuse.

Since 1967 a load of people have been born in Israel. They have the same claims to that land the Palestinians who were born there do by my reckoning. Born there innocent to what went on before. Just stuck in the middle of mess not of their own making,

I think they have to fight it out. Find defensible lines. It may be one side gets annihilated.
I don't think we can draw lines on maps to define the nations boundaries, I think we draw lines on maps to reflect where they end up.

 

\It's clear from your post that the 'educated world' doesn't include those who propagate this nonsense.

If the Israelis wanted to kill off the Palestinian people, for example, they could have done it long ago. Instead they built a wall for their own protection, and it worked. Arabs should concentrate on their own internal problems rather than spending so much time worrying about the Jewish people. Some have called it 'getting a life'.

 

Israel causes internal problems for all it's neighbours.
By concentrating on their internal problems, they have to confront Israel.

If they all just shut their eyes will Israel stop attacking them?
No.

We all want to say "yes they would" But we all know they won't.
Send guns bombs and ammo and let god sort them out.

 

World leaders. The same world leaders who conveniently seek regime changed when international law and human rights are violated.

That was the aim of zionists and why settlements building in occupied lands violates international law. Not like Israel cares for international law. 2 wrongs don't make it right. But 1 wrong could fix another by bringing balance.

Never has stopped us before. Never stopped Israel. And it didn't stop UN when they made the partition thay zionists never planned to stick with

 

Being born in occupied territory does not give them a right to it. In fact, it is expressly forbidden, under the Geneva Conventions, to transfer populations into occupied territory.
The Palestinians- you should note and remember- have offered Palestinian citizenship to any illegal settler who wants to stay in Palestine after the neoZionists have withdrawn to Israel. They are not compelled to do this. It is part of their working solution- which neoZionism buffs would rather you didn't hear about.

 

Since it's never worked before, expecting it to do so now, would be a mistake in my opinion.

 

No they couldn't have but they didn't as not to be remembered as villains. But History rembers their conniving

They have refused peace and coexistence when it was the best time for peace to be implemented. Driven by greed



Zionists were never planning to live side by side





They made their intent know even as the partition was being drawn up



This sums up why they "could" but didn't. They didn't want to have negative labels so they didn't do anything outright.



Instead they adopted policy of provocation to remove Palestinian overtime

 

Problem for Palestinians is they don't get to decide where their border is. They lost that right in battle and keep losing it in battle.
Send the Israeli back home, except Israeli's get to say where home is. Which may be right where they are.

Palestinians aren't in a position of bargaining strength. Woot I can come in live in Gaza? Oh thanks.
Pfft. I don't think so mate. No deal. I get to live in Vegas... hmm. I'll think about it.

 

Again- you're mistaken. Territory can never, ever, be gained by means of war. That's a foundation of post WW2 international law, based upon the Kellog-Briand Pact and definitively glossed by the Nuremberg Trials- not to mention United Nations membership responsibilities.
Further, all Israeli squats in Occupied Palestine have recently been re-affirmed as illegal . Even the United States did not oppose it.
You should also bear in mind that 138 countries now recognize the Palestinian state on the pre-1967 borders. Believe it- the neoZionists are going home sooner or later.

 

I was pointing out how ridiculous your statement about Palestinians going into the country they hate was

 

Ah sorry Moon.

"Do not talk of laws to those of us with swords".

It's not the case that bunch of old men in a comfy room, in comfy palace on the other side of the world, can all just agree on some wise sounding words and then the world will obey them.

That's not how it works mate. The price for that kind of obedience is somewhat higher.

 

The laws were determined and agreed by the leaders of the mightiest armies that the world has ever known.
Do not attempt to belittle them in order to save face.

 

And the minute those mighty armies aren't around, their laws are not enforced.
The mighty army doing the law enforcement is Israel. The IDF.

No other mighty armies in sight.
When you bring your mightier army, your leader can lord it over them.

Otherwise, we are back to pompous old men in a faraway palace in a faraway land... all still ruling the world together, but no one is listening.

 

Of course it is ridiculous. Palestinians hate Israel, bomb Israel, kill Israelis while simultaneously demanding to have the right to return to Israel. At the same time, majority of these Arabs who already live in Israel saying they will leave any area if it falls under Palestinian control.

If you do not see the irony, the contradictions, the ridiculousness of Palestinian positions, I can't help you.

 

Again you're mistaken. That's the dependent army which is breaking the law - and those mighty armies are, of course, still around and even mightier yet.

Remember- one nuke= no Israel. Quit the bragging, end the occupation, keep schtum.

 

Obviously when people believe in ignoring International Law and that Might is Right another way to address the issue must be found. With regard to Israel the non violent way of BDS is what is working.

Three years ago http://www.economist.com/news/middl...-sound-rattled-campaign-isolate-their-country

Ilan Pappé: the boycott will work, an Israeli perspective

BDS list

Boycott these products and companies to stop Israeli apartheid

BDS is not the only tactic against Israeli occupation, but it is working

There are other ways than violence to resolve issues.

 

Unfortuntely might is what makes international law right.
And if it's not what makes it right, it's still what makes it's writ.

Imagine a judicial system with no police. All laws passed are unenforceable.
They are not laws at all. They are mockeries of laws only.

 

Bit of a breakdown there, fella.

The demos does the policing, always. You are attempting to imagine a system with no people.