By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

320 million people in the United States. If 0.32 percent of them weren't the victims of crimes because someone had a gun for self defense in the course of a year, that would be 1 million defensive gun uses in that year. It isn't that hard to come up with a very big number that isn't at all absurd. Of course it is just speculation but my point was merely that if you're going to look at the cost of private gun ownership you have to look at the benefits as well.

 

Most of the time, nothing keeps kids safe.

Also, most of the time, lots of things, including guns, keep kids safe.

Since you're determined to keep the conversation so subjective as to lose all meaning, we can pretty much just say anything.

 

Im using leftist gun banner terms, in attempt to better communicate.

I havn't actually met any Nazi's, for example. But Im told they're everywhere, hunting minorities and leftists. Am I misinformed?

Which part of my post did you take as a threat? (please post the whole thing and highlite that which you believe was a threat)

 

Except that the statement, "most of the time, lots of things, including guns, keep kids safe" isn't true.

But the statement "most of the time, guns don't keep kids safe", is true.

 

Are you suggesting kids can ever be completely safe? If so, provide an example.

 

Again, I'm not suggesting anything...

I was simply asking how guns can keep kids/teens safe.

Most of the time, they can't...because kids/teens can't carry guns, and kids/teens can't be watched 24/7 by someone armed and trained.

This whole conversation was born out of the idea that all people should protect themselves with a loaded gun, women, grandmothers etc.

Trouble is, all people can't. It's absurd to think they can. So all those people are screwed.

 

I found the tone of the entire post to be a "veiled" threat, but that could be just me. I tend to picture both of us in a basement full of Glocks and Sig Sauers in glass cases with an antique MG42 on the floor whenever I communicate with gunnies here. As to Nazis if you want to see some just look around you at your next Trump rally or gun show. You'll see some few, I'm sure, though they'll be at pains not to let someone as nice as yourself know about it.

 

Riiiight. They're closet Nazis...

 

How safe?

Parents with guns are better equipped to protect their children. The children will be safer, although whether they are 'safe' is entirely subjective because safety is always relative.

And I don't see how "This whole conversation was born out of the idea that all people should protect themselves with a loaded gun, women, grandmothers etc." when I never said that. Are you grouping me in with someone who said that? Women and grandmothers are both perfectly capable of defending themselves with firearms. Children (or 'etc') are not, though they are safer when protected by armed adults.

 

No one forced you to comment...

 

Guns ENABLE Criminals and Rapists.:smh:

 

G-d created humans. Humans did not create themselves.

The vast majority of suicides are not sane or fit to make a decision.

 

Someone said they protect their family with a gun...you can't be with your entire family 24/7.

Most people are not going to be able to protect their families most of the time.

Someone said, girls and grandmas and everyone should carry a loaded gun.

Most grandmas and kids cannot or will not carry a gun. And then you have blind people, disabled people, etc. I imagine the list is endless as far as people who not only don't want a gun, but simply couldn't even use one if they wanted to.

So right there, you have millions of people who cannot protect themselves or be protected with guns on a regular 24/7 basis.

So the idea that guns are some sort of obvious choice, or should be an obvious choice, for keeping all people safer seems flawed to me right off the bat.

 

If you're suggesting that because a few people can't benefit, then no one should, I will simply have to reject that. If not, Im not sure what point you are trying to make.

How would you propose to protect those who cannot protect themselves?

 

When I worked there (EMS) it was worse than south central.

All the riff raff from LA were selling their homes and buying much larger homes inland.

I was shot at, had glass bottles and eggs thrown at the ambulance.

Because it was so hostile, we had to wait 10-15 minutes for a police escort anywhere in the ghetto.

Next city over, the local celebrity was Rodney King, who would ride around town on a bicycle.


The overall crime rate in San Bernardino is 88% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 14.13 dailycrimes that occur in San Bernardino.
https://www.areavibes.com/san+bernardino-ca/crime/

 

Shooting back prevents innocents from becoming victims.

 

The question of the thread is....

why wouldn't you buy a gun?

I'm giving an answer as to why many people don't buy guns.

As far as people protecting themselves or others who can't protect themselves, well there's all sorts of answers to that....obviously, many people feel everyone being armed with a loaded gun is not the answer, or the best answer, or the only answer. It might be the worst answer.

 

You've said (iiuc) that women and grandmothers dont benefit from being armed. You havn't explained why they don't benefit. Sans said explanation, thats not really an answer, but a merely a related claim.

 

Sure I did.

KIds and teens can't buy guns and are too "immature" to use one....(Nor can they be protected by someone who is armed and trained 24/7).

Plenty of people are not capable of using a gun (the elderly, disabled, also people who are scared of guns or people who feel it would actually make them feel Less safe).

You think all women/men walking around want a loaded gun near them at all? Or would feel good about drawing one in an emergency anywhere at any time? Out to dinner or out drinking? Or want one in their house with their kids (locked up and unloaded and essentially useless or otherwise)? If you think the answer is yes, I think you'd be wrong.

There are endless reasons, and good reasons, why people don't think everyone walking around with a loaded gun is the answer to everyone's safety, or can't or won't buy one.

 

"people who are scared of guns or people who feel it would actually make them feel Less safe" could still use guns to defend themselves. They just need to change how they feel.

Blind people and those lacking hands obviously can't use guns (though I did see an armless teenager at the range shooting an AR-15 with his feet with surprising aptitude, but thats an exceptional case, and its unlikely he would be able to do so in most self defense scenarios). But theres no reason someone with hands and sight couldn't become proficient with a firearm, given the wide variety available.

I suppose this requires a modification to my original question: why would someone feel that they couldn't safely and effectively make use of a firearm?

 

Lots of Nazis don't even know THEMSELVES that they're Nazis. And I base that on the idea that being a Nazi is a functional definition. A Nazi is an authoritarian fascist who bases their nationalism on race. I've always been surprised at how many Americans feel that way, and used to be among them.

 

I think the dichotomy is that one group can accept the fact that they may be responsible for their own safety, both from criminals and a tyrannical state, while the other can't admit that there may be times when the state cant keep you safe, and even will make things unsafe.

 

I don't even know any racists. The ones I knew were old and have died.

I know a lot of culturists. People who judge based on ones culture. The best example is urbanites vs ruralites. A guy thumping gasta rap in his ghetto cruiser, sagging his pants and flashing gang signs isn't going to be welcome at Bubbas Roadside Grill out in the sticks, no matter his skin color. Converesly, a black or latino wearing flanel with a shotgun and a freshly killed buck in the bed of his beat up F150 is gonna be as welcome at Bubbas Roadside Grill out in the sticks as if he were cracker-ass Bubba himself.

Its not about race anymore. Its about culture. And culture is a choice.

When people say America First, they're not talking about whites. They're talking about the rugged individualism that made this country great, and nothing makes a nationalist (white or not) happier than seeing an ethnic minority embrace Americana. Its just another dood or doodette 'doing life proper.'

The influence of the racism narrative is failing because the influence of racism is failing. But by all means, keep trying to play that card. Far be it from me to interrupt my opponents while they're busy defeating themselves with antiquated, transparent propaganda.

 

It does seem that some folks would prefer a violent death that can be blamed on someone else than to risk being held responsible for their own difficulties in life...

 

The point remains that not everyone can or wants to use and carry loaded guns 24/7, and their reasons are as valid, if not more so, than reasons to own a gun.

Do you have stats that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who own and carry loaded guns are safer? They get killed less, injured less, live a happier carefree life? And that people who don't walk around with loaded guns are all living in constant fear and are soon to be dead ducks? It sort of seems like it's the other way around.

Also, how do you protect all people who can't protect themselves with a gun? Or do they not matter?