Calling Jesus out on not letting gays into "heaven" & sending to "hell"

An all-knowing god SHOULD write, to educate us, I'd argue. I'D do that, because I'm more caring about the world than the absentee god and absentee Jesus.

 

Ooops, Matthew 5:17 in the NT says the old stuff is still good, and the Bible STILL has the OT in it - because Xians don't have the moral courage to move into the 21st century.

Look forwards, not back.

 

I don't think so. "Fulfilling the law" is prey vague phrase.
How about that for example?

 

Immoral would be the person claiming Corinthians was written by Jesus then hating him for it.

There wasn't even a NT when Jesus died nor for over 300 years later. It was assembled out of dozens of books by a bunch of guys in Nicaea under the first Christian Roman emperor.

Why do atheists attack Christianity but not Judaism, Islam or Buddhist sects despite flaws in their dogma?

 

The only one that gives a crap about what Timothy said is you. Because Timothy said it doesn't make it true. You're using a book you don't believe in to disprove the very book you don't believe in. If you believe that the Bible was inspired by God then you'll have to admit that God exists. Is God real or not....no tap dancing around it......do you believe God exists?

 

Yet Matthew 22:35-40 says that the two greatest commandments are "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" and "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Which verses read more clearly?
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Many theologians believe this passage was simply misinterpreted.

Men having sex with boys has been part of some old cultures. Also, it's known to have been part of bacchanalia.

If you'll look at the rest of the verses in question you'll note that this passage has nothing to do with the mutual support and fidelity of married life.

 

Don't you know that the phrase "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself" was lifted from Leviticus 19:18 (NOG) = "Never get revenge. Never hold a grudge against any of your people. Instead, love your neighbor as you love yourself. I am Yahweh." It didn't make it into the top ten. It's between not being a gossip and not wearing clothes of mixed fabrics.

Leviticus 19:16-19 (NOG) =
"16 Never gossip. Never endanger your neighbor’s life. I am Yahweh.

17 “Never hate another Israelite. Be sure to correct your neighbor so that you will not be guilty of sinning along with him. 18 Never get revenge. Never hold a grudge against any of your people. Instead, love your neighbor as you love yourself. I am Yahweh.

Other Duties

19 “Obey my laws. Never crossbreed different kinds of animals. Never plant two kinds of crops in your field. Never wear clothes made from two kinds of material."

Notice that it doesn't say that Israelites can't hate Gentiles.

 

It would be interesting to read the Codex Amiatinus from 692 A.D. and see if it has the same passages as later Bibles.

 

Yes, that would be interesting.

The first version I read what I googled the verses used the word "homosexual".

And, that wasn't something that was known at the time the bible was written.

Along the way we see translations being made, and that can't help but change the meaning.

 

Thats a list of things that people can choose to be or do, and thus they can choose to not be or not do. Presumably, those 'outside the city' (which could mean multiple things, but lets assume its Heaven ftsoa) have chosen to be or do those things instead of entering 'the city', as per their Free Will to choose.

Also, I should note, the original text does not say 'the sexually immoral,' it says 'whoremongers.'

 

It doesn't - some of the old tribal documents talk about particular bits of behaviour. Who cares?

 

By this count there are FIFTY-FOUR(!) places in the Bible that talk about gays - and most all of them are barbaric and anti-gay: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

"God hates f**s," is apparently TRUE.

 

So if Timothy is wrong then you, like me, agree that those verses should be removed from people's working version of the Bible, correct? WHICH OTHER verses of the Bible are, Sam, wrong or bad for the world, and should therefore be removed? Please tell us.

I'll believe in one of the specific thousands and thousands of claimed gods (do I pick Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Wotan, Krishna, etc., etc.!?) when one of those gods cares for humanity enough, and is real enough, to provide a court-room level of evidence for his existence. We deserve that. We are not "sinners", or "evil", like Jesus said we are.

 

The Bible is a lie - science has proven that - the geneologies add up to a 6000 year-old earth, so the Bible is a lie, and that means that Jesus is NOT going to magically come back from the dead and magically solve your greatest fear (death.) Sorry to burst your bubble.

Signed,
A former Christian who wised up, once he learned how intellectually consistent science was.

 

Wow. Bitter much?

It's one thing to disbelieve something, but to hate it? That's a lot of emotional investment for a person to take. It usually requires some other factors in order to drive it.

Yes, the Bible has a lot of inconsistencies. It mixes parable with claimed fact. It mixes history with rules for laws. It's both an Old and New Testament, which are night and day in comparison to each other. It was assembled by a bunch of guys in 325AD. So what? It's a spiritual guide, not a dictionary. If you feel it's completely worthless, the normal response is to walk away. Since you've posted dozens and dozens of posts against Christians, that tells me you have something else driving your opinions.

 

What drives my dislike of Jesus/Mohammad is my love for humanity, and my disgust that Christians/Muslims can't condemn those two for approving of all non-believers (Gandhi, or say Mother Teresa if she dared to convert to, say, Hinduism) burning alive in hell. Disgusting.

 

But it's TRUE - the geneologies add up to around 6000 year-old earth, and of course science constantly is showing us that that would be a lie. We can both agree that god/Jesus is therefore of course not actually real - which means that Christians are delusional in their overall belief system (delusional in what's virtually the most important decision in life - what overall belief system to have.)

 

That claim would ring truer if you showed more love and less disgust of people who believe differently than you do.

 

They don't just "believe differently than me", no they HATE HUMANITY so much that they approve, yes approve, of your own mother (if she dared to not pick the one particular invisible super-hero out of the thousands on offer - "Jesus") being burned alive in a "lake of fire". They have no morals, period.

 

Again, your anger belies your claims of self-righteousness.

 

I'll admit that I do get angry at Hitler for hating the Jews, and I get angry for Jesus being worse than Hitler for not only not letting the JEWS into "heaven" (so all Jews roast alive in Jesus' Auschwitz - "hell"!), but for being Hitler-like in not letting ALL HINDUS, ALL SIKHS, ALL BUDDHISTS, ETC. into his elitist exclusive invisible country-club in the sky. THAT should get ANY decent, ethical, caring person "angry".

 

QED

Maybe one day you'll explain to me the basis of all this anger you have against Jesus.

 

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe that God inspired the writing of the Bible?
As far as evidence - you haven't provided one shred of evidence that God or Jesus committed any acts of murder or brutality.
Put up or shut up. You already admitted you couldn't explain creation.

 

Sounds like you hate yourself. It's not for Jesus to say who gets into heaven and who doesn't. There isn't any hell, but if there was it wasn't created by Jesus. 1st graders know that much.
HINDUS, ALL SIKHS, ALL BUDDHISTS, ETC have their own heavens to ascend to. No need for you to worry about them.
Since you think God's a fictional character, then anything written about him is fiction- so are you so deluded and detached from reality that you get angry at fictional characters? Does Batman owe you money? Did you pull on Superman's cape?
What other fictional characters have you got your sphincter in a tizzy about?