Can people really be non-binary?

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Can people really be non-binary?

  1. no

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  2. yes

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/hydrogen-oxygen-reaction
    4.11.2 Example: Homogeneous Reactions with Trial and Error Solution
    A common rocket propellant combination consists of hydrogen fuel and oxygen. Consider a hydrogen-oxygen reaction given by

    (4.61)H2+O2→a1″O2+a2″H2+a3″O+a4″H+a5″OH+a6″H2O
    ...

    Molecular Formula HO
    Synonyms
    Hydroxyl-d

    13587-54-7

    DTXSID80159585

    OD

    https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Hydroxyl-d

    ...
    Molecular Formula H2O2
    Synonyms
    hydrogen peroxide

    7722-84-1

    perhydrol

    oxydol

    Hydrogen dioxide

    https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Hydrogen-peroxide

    ...
    Molecular Formula H3O+
    Synonyms
    13968-08-6

    Hydronium

    Oxonium

    oxidanium

    Hydronium ion

    https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Oxonium

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    Here's a few options that are derived from the binary elements of H, hydrogen, O, oxygen. In addition to H2O. Water.

    Those 2, binary elements, can create a whole lot more compounds than just the 2(binary elements).

    This is high school science or lower at best.
     
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  2. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    If someone is non-binary then shouldn't they be called analog?
     
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  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Compounds made up of multiple elements they aren't elements they are compounds.

    H2O is not an element is a compound made up of two elements.
    And you can't even get that right.

    Know what you are talking about before you lecture others.

    You make the mistake of using the wrong word a lot don't you?

    Binaries aren't necessarily dichotomies. That will be true no matter how much high school science you can't remember.
     
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  4. HereWeGoAgain

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    Eeeeeeesh. You are talking apples and oranges. Curious is talking about binary math - base 2. That is just one definition of binary.

    The other is something composed of two parts.

    Binary math is exclusive. There are only 1s and 0s. Something being binary, made of two parts, is not exclusive.

    And yes when you combine two or more separate elements you have a compound.

    What do you call a structure comprised of a single element, like a diamond?
     
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  5. dairyair

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    Biologically speaking, male or female are made up of chromosomes. X and Y. AT a minimum.
    And there can be many combinations of those 2 chromosomes. Just like there can be many combinations of those 2 elements of H and O.
     
  6. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    A point I made to him. Good luck to you.
    Thank you.
    I'm just going by the common definition of binary
    depends on what it is. If it's metallic you call it metal
     
  7. Polydectes

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    So there is no Z,W,V or T?

    So it's binary?

    X,Y...H,O...1,0



    But it's still two.
    Yeah so binary.
     
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  8. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Excellent!

    And if it's not a metal?

    PS, this is just for fun.
     
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    You know I don't really know diamond is carbon metal would be all of the Metallic elements I suppose you would call pure silica and silica or pure neon neon.

    I just remember being confused when I was studying metallurgy because I always thought of steel as a metal but it is an alloy.
     
  10. dairyair

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    So hydrogen peroxide, water, Hydroxyl-d, Hydronium.
    4 different elements are binary?
    Nope. Binary would be H or O. Not H and O. And all the combination of H and 0.

    Binary is 1 of 2 options. Nothing more.

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    I will concede, we are both correct by the definition of binary.

    Definition of binary
    (Entry 1 of 2)

    1 : something made of two things or parts specifically : binary star
    2 mathematics : a number system based only on the numerals 0 and 1 : a binary (see binary entry 2 sense 3a) number system 42 is written as 101010 in binary.
    3 : a division into two groups or classes that are considered diametrically opposite Sam Killermann, a self-described "social justice comedian," is very serious about how far the complexities of identity go beyond the traditional binary of male or female.— Katy Steinmetz

    In our defined world, male and female are diametrically opposite. But those are not the only 2 options available as hermaphrodites so physically prove.
    Just as Hydrogen peroxide, water, Hydroxl-d, and hydronium prove that the 2 elements of H and O don't make only diametrically opposite compounds. But offshoots of those compounds.

    What is diametrically opposite of water? Fire? Not made up of only H and O.
     
  11. Polydectes

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    why wouldn't they be binary binary means consisting of two things at least that's the definition I found when I googled the fine binary.

    Are hydrogen and oxygen more than two elements explain.


    not according to common usage. Not according to context in which we use it either.

    8-bit binary code can make 256 different choices so are the people who created binary code wrong too did they not consult the emperor of what binary is.

    no you are incorrect you said it could be one choice out of two 8-bit binary code has 256 choices only one of us is right and it isn't you.

    I was smarter than you I looked up the word before I ever responded to you that's how I knew all along you should do that in the future.


    that doesn't make sense they are two parts of a sexually reproducing species they're not opposed if they were there wouldn't be 8 billion of us here.
    yeah did you know that 8-bit binary can give us 256 options with the binary there should only be two.

    Now do you see?

    Something comes consisting of two parts or two things can make multiple options?

    I'm not interested in talking about opposites and I'm talking about binary and as I've shown 8-bit binary code gives you 256 choices so there can be more than two choices within a binary.
     
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    The only name I know is homonuclear [I could come up with about ten jokes there]. I was straining to remember anything else.

    What I always found striking was that a diamond is a giant molecule - a macromolecule.
     
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    Thanks.

    When it comes to computers, binary is literally a 1 or 0. This is not humans. I’m not addressing you, Dairy, but I appreciate the launch pad.

    Humans are not computers and come in all shapes and sizes. Deviations from the norm are expected. Everyone, in one way or another, deviates for the norm. Some, in a minor way. Some, deviate greatly.

    To understand that the foot only gets the message to create 4 toes, or, some are born autistic or schizophrenic, and not understand that every possible mutation is not only possible, but probable, is odd.

    To me, the weird part is believing that every human has the exact same everything.

    I’m tired of this conversation, frankly. People who believe all manly men are the same as the other 50% of all humans that have ever existed, is about the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.

    The term Nancy has been applied to a president. A president who has been dead more than 100 years. This isn’t a FAD; this is people finally being free to be who they are, and help the other non norm people feel less marginalized.

    what a horrible thing to do. Treat everyone equally? Nah. Only white, straight male, Christian property owners. They are all equal. Everyone else is just…. Well, not normal.
     
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    Yeah like C9,000,000,000,000
     
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    ~ Where exactly do you meet "lots of non-binary people" ... ?
     
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    Heh, I'd guess a college campus.
     
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  18. dairyair

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    Absolutely.
    There's no 1 size fits all when it comes to sex/gender.
    It's a sliding scale from the most masculine of male to the most feminine of females. With many crossovers in between.

    I think the other poster is hung up on the fact we only have 2 descriptions for male & female. Ignoring hermaphrodites as a physical difference between the 2. But claims it's still binary because only male and female are used. But neither male or female describes a hermaphrodite.
     
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    no, If you are born with a penis you are a man. If you change it with surgery you pay not the tax payers, live your life just do not expect me to pay for it
     
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    Sex is a binary thing... There are only two options with regard to sex:

    Male: XY chromosomes, specifically the presence of the SRY gene.
    Female: XX chromosomes, specifically the absence of the SRY gene.

    Notice how the only letters in the system are X and Y?? That is the very definition of a BINARY system, such as Binary Code (in which there are only 0's and 1's).

    Yes, the "code" can have "errors". This is what is commonly referred to as 'abnormalities', such as XXY, XXX, XYY, XXXX, and etc... --- Notice how, even within those ERRORS ("abnormalities"), there are STILL only TWO letters in the system (X and Y)??


    My point being: There is NOT an "option c". What other letter is there besides X or Y?? This is where you provide me with a third letter to show that I am "wrong" (I'm not), admit that you are wrong about this (you won't do this), or choose to remain irrational about this (this is what you will do)...
     
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    I've been asking him to provide me with a third option for quite some time now, but he has yet to deliver...
     
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    @Polydectes Apparently your homosexuality is now "fake". --- The classic tactic of resorting to insults once the well of arguments runs dry...
     
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    Except that homosexual people actually exist... Non-binary people do not.
     
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    This is where I suspect that Poly might disagree with me.

    Gay is not something that one IS (there is no "gay gene" or "being born gay")... It is something that one DOES, namely having sexual relations with the same sex (homosexuality).
     
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    Trans people are binary. They are either a man deluding himself that he is a woman or a woman deluding herself that she is a man. The chromosomes are still XY or XX, and the letters are still X and Y. The binary system is still intact.

    Hermaphrodites are binary. They just had a "code error" during development that caused them to have sex organs of both sexes, making it more difficult to distinguish which sex they are. The letters are still X and Y; the binary system is still intact.

    Interesting how YOU deny basic biology...

    I just provided it (yet AGAIN) and showed how/why the system is binary (yet AGAIN).
     

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