"Can we talk about gun control now?"

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/145131/boyfriend_kills_girlfriend_after_mistaking

    Boyfriend Kills Girlfriend After Mistaking Her for an Intruder

    Man, we are not having a good run with guns here in the U.S. A few weeks ago, we heard the story about the father who shot and killed his teenage son by mistake, thinking he was an intruder. Then, earlier on today, we read about how a teenager was accidentally shot while playing a prank on his friends. And now, because there apparently isn't enough depressing news in the world, I bring you the story of the 34-year-old boyfriend who fatally shot his girlfriend because he thought she was an intruder.

    Can we talk about gun control now?

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    I'd also like to know the answer to that question. Guns are too deadly to be in so many hands. It's way too easy to kill someone by mistake with one.
     
  2. CKW

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    How many home owners have shot burglers coming into their home? Have you looked? Several---including a woman and elderly person that probably couldn't have defended themselves without the gun.

    So no. We aren't talking gun control. You control YOURSELF from a gun. But don't make others live more vulnerable.
     
  3. Bain

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    When I read your post I think about education. Gun education. Not gun control.
     
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  4. wakeupamarica90

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    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=409 Please read this...

    A review of the areas in the U.S. with the most restrictive firearm laws, including such areas as Washington, D.C., Chicago, IL, New York, NY, and the state of California, shows that these areas have some of the highest crime and especially violent crime rates in the U.S. The crime rates in all of these areas exceed the national average, and they all enforce stringent restrictions on firearm ownership that includes licensing and registration schemes, various taxes, testing, and even bans on firearms. In essence, these areas have become a gun control supporters Utopia. Yet, even with all of these gun laws and the high praise from gun control groups like Handgun Control, Inc., crime and particularly violent crime has continued to be a serious problem.



    Just think about it for a minute, do you think that criminals will be so up and ready to turn in their firearms if there is a law that bans firearms? Of course not, what will happen is the criminals will keep their firearms, and the good upstanding US citizens will turn theirs in, and then the criminals will have free reign of terror by breaking into peoples homes, raping wives and killing children, without the fear of being shot by the home owner because the criminals know there are gun control laws in place to prevent people from owing firearms.

    As far as the story you pointed out, that sucks, but people need to use their brains and don't get so trigger happy before knowing who they are shooting at. Case closed.
     
  5. woodystylez

    woodystylez Banned

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    People read what they want to read and hear what they want to hear.

    They talk about the 2nd Amendment fast. But fail to notice where it says, "A heavily regulated militia"
     
  6. Bain

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    You might be right woody. I am a gun lover and therefore biased. The second amendment is heavily lobbied, so there is little to fear about guns being restricted.
     
  7. Swamp_Music

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    :roll: Actually it is a "well regulated militia..."

    That having been said... The word "militia" is defined below:


    mi•li•tia
       [mi-lish-uh] Show IPA

    noun
    1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.

    2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.

    3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia?o=100084&qsrc=2894&l=dir

    The "militia" IS NOT a professional military or police force. I suggest you read the militia law of 1792 to understand the third definition.

    The militia was to be a check on a tyrannical government which alienates unalienable rights. By definition anyone who wants to take away guns (deny a natural unalienable right) is a Tyrant, if not in deed certainly in sprit. In short, if someone wants to take away guns provides a reason to keep them locked and loaded! :wink:
     
  8. Wolverine

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    It is actually "A well regulated militia,"

    Which has little bearing on gun control.

    Did you read the DC vs. Heller decision?
     
  9. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Article 1 Section 8 dictates the Congressional funding of the "militia" as well.

    This is assuming that you want to trip up those who don't understand the Constitution.
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    America is fairly stupid about guns. Until there is FAR greater pain and suffering; when beloved sons and daughters are tragically lost and crazy, angry and criminal men senselessly destroy the lives of THOUSANDS MORE innocent men, women and children... Americans will have 'serious' conversation about reasonable gun control measures.

    Until there is A LOT MORE DEATH... many will think everything is okay.
     
  11. Swamp_Music

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    Yep, all covered in the Militia Law of 1792.
     
  12. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    You think gun education is going to prevent someone panicking and shooting the wrong person by mistake? I have my doubts. The presence of guns creates a real danger that no amount of gun education will be able to counter. People fly into rages, psychos plan and execute killings, people mistake loved ones for burglars, children find and discharge guns, gang bangers will wage gun battles in urban settings.. Where there are loaded guns available, this will all continue to happen.
     
  13. Jango

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    Why not ban alcohol, cigarettes, video games, pornography, and anything else that is bad?
     
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    Define Militia for us please.
     
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    Comical!

    Table 11. Death rates for 113 selected causes, Enterocolitis due to Clostridium difficile, drug-induced causes,alcohol-induced causes, and injury by firearms, by age: United States, 2009

    [Rates per 100,000 population in specified group. Populations used for computing death rates are postcensal estimates based on the 2000 census, estimated as of July 1, 2009; see "Technical Notes." The asterisks (*) preceding the cause-of-death codes indicate that they are not part of the International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10), Second Edition; see "Technical Notes"]

    Deaths per 100,000 population:

    Accidents (unintentional injuries) 38.4
    Salmonella infections 26
    Nontransport accidents 25.7
    Whooping cough 15
    Drug-induced deaths 12.8
    Intentional self-harm (suicide) 12.0
    Motor Vehicle Accidents 11.8
    Alcohol-induced deaths 8.0
    Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms 6.1
    Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms 3.7

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf

    You are 7 times more likely to die of Salmonella from a bad piece of undercooked chicken than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 6.9 times more likely to die of an untentional accident like slip and fall than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 4 times more likely to die of Whooping Cough than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 3.5 times more likely to die of using drugs than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 3.2 times more likely to die of a Car Accident than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 2.2 times more likely to die of a drinking too much Alcohol than being killed by someone with a gun.

    You are 1.6 times more likely to die of killing YOURSELF intentionally with a gun than being killed by someone else with a gun.
     
  16. Defender of Freedom

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    Considering that according to the CDC, less than 2% of gun deaths are accidents. The answer is NO.
     
  17. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, I know. It's OK. I've already flip-flopped on that issue. :D

    There are many ways to die, most of them preventable by common sense. If there is any change I would like to see to current gun laws, it would be stricter requirements for gun safety and awareness training. It would be nice if people still served in militias, but sadly our voluntary professional army has long since supplanted them.
     
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    What kind of "gun control" are you suggesting? Latest FBI data shows that violent crime and homicides during the first half of 2013 fell to all time lows, a continuation of a 20 year trend, despite the fact that people were buying up guns so fast at the time many gun store shelves were barren. While you can't use that data to conclude that more guns is preventing crime, you CAN easily note the inverse correlation. More guns is most certainly not causing more crime.

    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/lates...-same-time-gun-sales-reached-all-time-highs/#

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    Not only is that not what it says, the word "regulated" in 1789 meant more like "trained" in common usage.
     
  19. Defender of Freedom

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    How many more MILLIONS of people need to be murdered by their own governments after being disarmed will it take for you to understand? How much more blood must be shed for you to realize that disarming a people is wrong? What will you do when your neighbors are taken? Your family? Yourself? Will more death make you understand? Will it take your sons and daughters? Will you let freedom die along with them? We are not idiots, we know what the eventuality is because we have seen it throughout history. I will not let it happen here, and neither will other Americans like me. No more children will be starved, No more people will be gassed, No more men, women and children against the firing squads.

    Molon Labe
     
  20. Defender of Freedom

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    Who is to pay for this training?

    Even with the professional army, the people need to be armed.
     
  21. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who pays for military training now? The feds, apparently, meaning all of us.. Militias would be more local, though, as would be simple training programs, so I imagine funding might come from a combination of state funds and fees.

    Not that this stuff would be wildly expense. I mean, FFS, here we are in a supposedly rich country talking about who pays for some gun training.. Really?
     
  22. Defender of Freedom

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    I think we have enough taxes, and some people do not like guns and may not want there tax dollars going towards them. The same for abortion funding. Most people who purchase firearms do their research as it is an investment, and many receive training. I do not think regulation is the answer.
     
  23. Kurmugeon

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    The rest of U.S., those not radical Lefties, have to wonder, for the Radical Left to expend so much political capital on disarming the common citizens, just what in the hell do the Radicals plan on doing to U.S.?

    We know its not a safety issue, or they'd be equally, or at least similarly concerned about the other things which are statistically far more likely to result in harm.

    Its a Power and Control issue, where they feel they NEED to be able to tell U.S. at the point of the gun, to do what they want... So just what the hell are they planning?

    Pragmatically, for our own safety, shouldn't we just boot them from power based on that NEED alone?

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    Gun control means that anyone that kills someone while committing a crime is hung in public within a year of the the crime. Simply put you kill someone with a gun while committing a crime, YOU HANG!!!!!!! No liberal judge, no whining defense att can get you off. That people is gun control.
     
  25. garyd

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    Uh no. first the dude violate the first rule of gun safety identify your target before you squeeze the trigger. Got stats for how many people die in car wrecks every year?
     

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