Capitalism

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    No, firms rely on government to maintain capitalism such that economic rent can be reproduced. Its zilch to do with socialism
     
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    Only the special pleading argument of political science, during the Cold War, claims Socialism is limited to that narrow definition; which, by the way, specifically must exclude socioeconomics.

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    Government is a form of socialism. How else do you account for the concept of political-economics?
     
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    No, valid reference to socialist political economy demands it. The Cold War was between capitalism and state capitalism, between mixed economies and command economy. Socialism, as a term, was of course abused by the cretinous right wing. However, that doesn't give you an excuse to re-invent terms now
     
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    The Power to Tax is a form of Socialism, not Capitalism.

     
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    Another ridiculous comment. You're merely spamming the thread.
     
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    A Power to do Anything is not a form of Capitalism, but can be a form of Socialism.

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    Non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies.
     
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    Meaningless drivel again. I'm going to have to ignore your spamming
     
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    Can you explain any Capital based mechanism for a Power to do Anything in a political-economy?

    It is something inherent in socialism.
     
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    Couldn't you find something to support your assertion? That's twice you've tried. The first one refuted your assertion and this second in no way supports your claim.
     
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    Don't dodge now: Offer an economic argument that demonstrates the advantage of capitalism over socialism. Please make sure you use valid economic analysis, rather than rant
     
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    No, firms only need rely upon government to leave them free to exchange. Your socialism takes away that freedom.
     
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    Rubbish! Cost-plus pricing in capitalism, given the tendency towards market concentration, guarantees the need for government stabilisation policy. And we've already destroyed your cretinous reference to freedom and socialism, given socialism can maintain the market whilst eliminating the coercion associated with the labour contract
     
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    Simply claiming that without a valid argument is not very convincing. Why resort to special pleading instead of better understanding the dilemma?

    The Power to Tax is a form of Socialism, not Capitalism.

    Why do you believe a Power to Tax is not a form of Social-ism instead of Capital-ism?
     
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    Capitalism should always be more efficient in its private market sectors than most public sectors are in those private sectors.

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    How are any of our several States harmed, by the socialism of the United States?
     
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    What absurd silliness you babble on about. Market concentration creates no need for government stabilization. And government has little ability to do so
     
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    US has a capitalist economic system. A socialist economic system is characterized by public or worker owned means of production.
     
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    You are the one making this ridiculous claim without a valid argument. The power to tax is neither capitalism or socialism. They are economic system while taxing is a function of government.
     
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    Again you only describe you just don't understand capitalism. Once we move to market concentration we no longer have supply & demand determining prices. Economic shocks can then, given cost-plus pricing, lead to stagflation. Interventionism to stop such problems becomes crucial.
     
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    Don't dodge yourself: Are you actually advocating for worker ownership and control of the means of production as a superior alternative to any and all incarnations of capitalism? Please, yes or no, rather than another lengthy name dropping pile of droppings.
     
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    Given you're so unaware of what I'm supporting, I see no point in communicating with you. Your inane effort at banter is just too low powered in the entertainment stakes. Sorry
     
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    It's an easy question, unless for some reason you're afraid.

    Are you actually advocating for worker ownership and control of the means of production as a superior alternative to any and all incarnations of capitalism? Yes or no.
     
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    How did you reach your conclusion?
     
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    Simply claiming that is the Only definition of forms of Social-ism; is not very ingenuous. It could be considered a form of special pleading now that the Cold War is over. Is your line of reasoning not sound enough without your special pleading?

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    The Power to Tax is a form of Socialism, not Capitalism. A Power to Do anything must be a form of Social-ism achieved through a Social Contract, not capital market based activity, usually.

    Why do you believe a Power to Tax is not a form of Social-ism instead of Capital-ism?
     
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    Because words have meaning. The power to tax is neither socialism or capitalism.
     
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    Thank you for pointing out that a valid argument has words that may contain truth value. You are welcome to present one whenever you want.

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    I don't mind arguing that point; yes, I believe we are better off harnessing natural public sector monopolies into public sector means of production which may lower our tax burden in the manner of Hoover Dam and the Fed.
     

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