Carbon Tax Good / Bad Idea

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Carbon Tax Good or Bad Idea?

  1. Bad idea

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    86.2%
  2. Good idea

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%
  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Natural gas powered steam turbine electricity is much more practical , clean and cheap and has proven reliable -- unless the politicos get hold and make things complicated.
    Co2 is not the problem - human greed, overpopulation and stupidity is the problem. We can't fix that.
     
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  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hydrogen
    No fracking required.
    No problem with Bio-Natural Gas.


    BTW did "they" de-gas beans?
    I notice beans seem softer and less prone to create flatulence.
     
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  3. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ If "they" were smart we would tap all the natural gas / wind on Capitol Hill . Free power for all of America :clapping:

    ✔ I like the hydrogen idea. It does make much more sense than solar / wind. Likely this is why government avoids the subject.
     
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    Not sure what you consider fast but there have been rapid periods of warming and cooling in the past.

    Somebody probably knows of them.

    Any reasonable person knows it is not possible to stop humans from adding to climate, it just isn't.

    And the problem with your side is you have no specifics.

    For example, at our current rate of change how long until NY floods and if you pass a carbon tax how much extra time does that buy us?

    You have no clue and the times lefties have made predictions, like Al Gore, they were laughably wrong.

    So why should we believe your very generic warnings?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't know, never studied it, but why is climate change bad?

    There are some pretty crappy climates around the world so wouldn't they improve?
     
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    Last time I checked, those periods went with massive extinctions etc.... as in the period all the dinosaurs died.
    And we don't want our ecosystem to completely die.
    partially due to sentimental values.
    partially due that we're dependent on it cause we're eating it.


    There are predictions how bad it all can get and when. I do recall that Trump at one point presented a prediction of 200,000 covid deaths. Look at it now, it's worse. And it sounds to me, you're just don't care when NY floods and that a heck of a lof of people die and millions need to flee and all their belongings gets destroyed.... as long as you're no victim. Some patriot you are.
     
  7. Professor Peabody

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    OOOpppsss!
     
  8. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    @Spooky


    Check out how quickly the Little Ice Age
    replaced the Medieval Warm Up.





    Moi
    :oldman:
    Breath deep.
    Make CO2
    Do your part to prevent the Cool Down ;)
     
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  9. notme

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    @Spooky

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    You know, "some people" spot a freaking spike in there going straight up.
    A spike not elsewhere to be found in 1000's of years on this chart.
     
  10. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Duh - uh
    Because there were no thermometers back then.

    The botanical record is a good indicator.
    Records of harvests.


    Wild grapes in :flagcanada:
     
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    No need.
    We can tell what the temperature was, based on measuring a certain oxygen isotope ice cores.
    We can go down over 50,000 years that way.
     
  12. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I prefer the botanical record.

    Ice core bubbles bother me as possibly not
    representing what they are alleged to represent

    Water has polarity.
    Some atmospheric gases are large, some are small.
    Some are polar, some are not
    Are we sure the ice bubble hasn't changed composition
    during its' storage via diffusion into the ice?

    A fossilized piece of plant doesn't change in such a manner


    BTW a carbon tax is a Bad idea
    It will hurt poor people who can't afford a Tesla
     
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    You can not change the composition of oxygen isotopes, unless you deliberately bombard it with a radioactive material. So the method is just exceptionally sound.
     
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    There are iddy biddy hydrogen molecules.
    Larger oxygen
    Larger & polar CO2 molecules
    Inert helium
    And I'm suppose to accept there is no
    differential diffusion in ice.

    Atmosphere is a mixture.
    The components likely have different diffusion in ice characteristics.

    Isotopes with different diffusion?
    How :flagus: purified bomb quality Uranium.


     
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    It's a terrible idea... he's already destroyed business with lockdowns...the carbon tax hike is just finishing them off...you know a stab in the heart of a wounded animal.

    Trudeau is a disaster for Canada
     
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  16. James California

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    ~ Can you think of a better way to make the poor and lower middle class dependent on government ? :confuse:´
     
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    You simply can not like change the isotope of oxygen.
    It's the same mechanic of carbon dating.
     
  18. Moi621

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    No one is changing or creating.
    Isotopes exist
    Uranium isotopes with different diffusion helped create "the bomb".

    Forget isotopes for a second
    the point was atmosphere is a mixture of gases
    and what of differences in diffusion in ice
    over such a long time.


    BTW Carbon Tax, Bad Idea.
    It is a ruse to target the petroleum industry
    ignoring the carbon foot print to build
    giant windmills.

    Carbon Tax, Bad Idea.
    Poor people will be the last to own an
    electric car and suffer regressive taxation for fuel.

    Moi :oldman:
    So what about the carbon foot print
    to mine lithium? ;)
     
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    So isotopes exist, and since we can measure them trapped in ice and know how they otherwise would have changed through time floating in the air... you can measure the amount of time that past in ice. Not such a hard concept.

    I don't see a problem in investing to get a better planet.
    And the oil will run out some day, anyways.
    So it's a choice between:
    1) going on polluting and have a crappy world, to than run out of oil and start changing
    2) start changing now and have less pollution.
     
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    The coal industry was dying LONG before Obama took office. Natural Gas saw to that.
     

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