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Today a crack team of devout followers of Mohammad, shouting "Allah is great!", and that they had avenged their prophet, gunned down 19 in Paris today (12 dead), using AK47's, at a publication that mocked Mohammad. It's the biggest news story in the world right now. So my question is, do we increase or decrease our mocking of Mohammad, in response?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html

I can see both sides of the argument, myself.
Your thoughts?

 

Capitulation will only embolden them. They will know that these kinds of tactics will work in silencing the West, which is the opposite of what we want.

 

Ramp up the mocking, you believe?

 

Definitely.

 

I'd stick with your usual 5-10 threads a day mocking Christians.

You're obviously infinitely more safe doing so.

 

We cannot defeat Islam. Nor should that be a goal. We may be able to defeat fundamentalist Islam if we can get the support of moderate muslims. Insulting the prophet does no good. I never saw much benefit from (*)(*)(*)(*) Christ.

 

Islam should be treated no differently than any other religion in secular society.

Fear of fanatics has already fundamentally changed our society. IMHO, way too much.

Placating religious fanatics is a never ending cycle as history has consistently shown.

Sadly, these killer klowns kill far less people in western society than die by simply walking across the street, yet have orders of magnitude more effect on citizen's psyche and bureaucratic reactions.

A handful of incidents and the world reacts by spending hundreds of billions for protection while abrogating citizen's rights and freedoms and providing wall to wall media coverage that seems to deliberately fan the flames of fear, not to mention the exact attention these scumbag fanatics desire.


If it wasn't for these facts, and society reacted with no attention, no massive reaction, no abrogation of rights, these guys actions would be appropriated marginalized but I think no harder to either pre-empt, thwart in progress, or hunt down.

 

FAITH (belief w/out evidence) is the underlying problem in this war we are in, obviously, so will Christians condemn faith, or further, indirectly, empower the enemy by saying that faith is a GOOD thing?

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Regarding ISLAM, increase or decrease the mocking of Mohammad in response?

 

Now, THAT is funny.

We stand unwavering in defense of our freedoms of conscience and expression and dispatch the jihadists to Allah's celestial cathouse.

The people who need to be mocked are the primitives who perpetrate these attacks, not some dude who may or may not have existed over 1300 years ago.

 

So GIVE IN to their demands that we don't mock their prophet? Showing that terrorism works?

 

True, though why bother to insult in the first place?

 

You appear to be under the false impression that Mohammad did not thank followers of his who killed people who mocked him, such as killing Asma B. Warwan, and Abu Afak. So the Paris Jihadists were just following Mohammad's lead/example: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

 

You mean how everywhere outside the West has been GIVING IN to Western demands for a long time now?

And we know what happens when they don't give in.

 

Insulting is not a great tactic, but what about when they slaughter a dozen people (had they been able to kill 3000 people, they likely would have).....should we increase the level of mocking to show our solidarity with the innocent victims? Your thoughts?

 

You can insult all you want. Just don't cry foul when some people react in a violent way. Surely you don't think that everyone can be patient in the face of constant mocking?

 

You're not serious are you? You believe that we can get any Muslims to condemn Mohammad for approving of his minions killing people who mocked him (when Mohammad was alive, I'm talking about)?

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So now we see clearly that Muslims do indeed blame the victim, blame freedom of the press, and not blame the terrorists/Mohammad for the intolerance that they show towards people who express their democratic right to free speech. At least you're being honest, I appreciate that.

This incident will not go away.

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You're approving of terrorism, it appears?

 

might want to re=read my post.

I am saying that society's reaction to these isolated incidents of terrorism actually achieves the goal of the terrorists.

 

The Western demands are mostly freedom, and democracy, and that Sharia Law (which contradicts freedom/democracy) not be implemented. A reasonable demand, don't you think?

 

I'm not blaming anyone- just stating the obvious in a strictly rational matter. And Westerns just love the use of reason, right?

 

Their goal is Mohammad's Sharia Law, that's what they want.

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I blame Mohammad for saying for his followers to kill people who mock him, who do you blame?

 

No, power and control is the underlying problem in this war that we are in, regardless if you are a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pastafarian or agnostic.

Faith is not an inherently bad or evil thing, FreedomSeeker. There are millions of religious people who have made the world a better place by subscribing to the better angels of their faiths. On the other hand, some of the worst monsters in human history were atheists. Stupid generalizations are stupid.

 

The Catholic Church is relentlessly mocked.

 

Well, the Catholic Church was emasculated centuries ago. Mocking Jesus is the norm in the West. It's to be expected.

 

The freedom of the press must be defended. All major newspapers in France and Europe should publish the cartoons in questions. That's the way to honour innocent people who were killed today. It's high time Europeans showed some courage and stood up for themselves.

 

We could defeat them, but it would be extremely costly. The best thing the West could do is simply bar them from entry and deport as many as humanly possible to keep their numbers in the West negligible. This would effectively neuter them, and they can battle it out amongst themselves in their own lands, just like they always have.