Chelsea Manning To Run For U.S. Senate In Maryland

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  1. GoogleMurrayBookchin

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    Sometimes a government deserves to be betrayed
     
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    such a shame they made an even shittier government, they had style
     
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    If we were to compare morals, betraying someone could lead to a habit of betrayal.

    Let's say that there is one head of lettuce that has a worm in it in a shop, and, one of the staff know about it? If they told the press that there was one head of lettuce with a worm in it, everyone would avoid the shop's lettuce, let alone the shop, the shop would close and they might go to another shop and get worms anyway?

    This is what betrayal can lead to. Assange is a criminal, anyone involved in wikileaks is a criminal, and, this person is too. If they were to cite a hospital that had gave out an antibiotic instead of an anti retroviral, and news spread through some 'whistleblower,' the whole health care sector could be taken to court and then there would be no antibiotics or retrovirals for anybody, yes?

    These examples are evidence of why it is bad to blow whistles, and, good to keep secrets, sometimes. These times were evidently summed up in the wikileaks document.
     
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    What crime did he commit?

    How so?
     
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    What was better about the monarchy of King George III?
     
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    Just think of all the "glass ceilings" Manning could break as President:

    1. First pardoned convicted felon
    2. First transsexual
    3. First female (so to speak)

    4. PLUS, just follow Elizabeth Warren's plan with Manning claiming to have been told one of his grandparents was an Eskimo and also the first one of those.

    5. AND he could declare himself an atheist too. '

    The USA's first ex-felon, transsexual, female, atheist Eskimo president. Should win the Democratic nomination by an unprecedented landslide at least. And OMG would the MSM and press LOVE all that!
     
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    Good question.
     
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    There is NO provision in the US Constitution that says the FBI gets to pick who may and may not be a US Senator.

    This security clearance BS is just an excuse for the FBI to invade an elected official's privacy for the purpose of then being able to later extort that official. ANYONE seeking ANY public office could tell the FBI "kiss my ass" and tear up any security questionaire.

    The final say on national security clearance is the president, not the FBI.
     
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    Maybe she can run for president.
    Hmm, but if she won, would feminists just feel cheated?
     
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    They weren't then engaged in a literal genocide, for one
     
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    ...How are you saying any of this **** without screaming to yourself "My god, I've been scraped from the very sleaziest depths of humanity!"? Like, how can you actually be such a morally bankrupt, utterly hollow husk of a person that you're okay with this stupid bullshit you just said? I'm not going to argue with any of that, because that would imply that a single thing you just said is worth arguing with. If there is a god, I hope he can find it in himself to forgive you for this complete shitshow of a post.
     
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    Sorry I'm confused about your claim that the British monarchy of King George III was somehow better than the government created by the founders. Are you saying the founders were engaged in genocide or the newly founded government encouraged genocide somehow? And the British under King George did not commit genocide?

    I know the current US government is engaged in genocide but it's not the government that was founded, the one LIMITED by the Constitution. That was a Constitutional Republic, today's pretend US government is a criminal racketeering organization.
     
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    You remember the Native Americans, right?
     
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    Receiving stolen classified material. I'm sure there is a charge that covers that. Otherwise why would Assange stay holed up in an embassy for five years and more?
     
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    According to some courts, he committed a sexual misconduct violation.
     
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    Yes but that had nothing to do with the type of government established by the founders. There is nothing in the Constitution that grants the US government the power to commit genocide, in fact the Bill of Rights prohibits it. The monarchy however, is a different story, the King could do almost anything he wanted, he wasn't bound by very many rules. We're talking about the difference between the monarchy and the Constitutional Republic established by the founders binding the US government to the Constitution.
     
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    Some courts? Which ones?

    As far as I know:

    1. He wasn't tried and convicted of the above by any court. He was merely wanted for questioning by a Swedish court. You understand due process, right? I believe that common law doctrine is also a part of the Swedish judicial system.

    2. None of that has anything to do with anyone else involved with WikiLeaks.

    The initial claims I questioned are 100% false and the claimant has not responded to my questions thus far.
     
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    We know it didn't have anything to do with wikileaks. He assaulted some chick, and he didn't want to face the music, so he hid in an embassy.
     
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    There probably is but Assange has never been charged for that, much less tried and convicted.

    Because he believes he will be extradited to the US from Sweden if he went there on the warrant for questioning (which has nothing to do with receiving stolen classified material).
     
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    Correct, so you agree the original claimant I responded to is wrong.

    Again, he hasn't been convicted of anything. Read my prior post.
     
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    No one said he was convicted. Stop playing that game. He was wanted for it and he's scared so he's hiding in protection.
     
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    Laws don't constrain the powerful. The principles that emerge from incemtivr structures do. A society built on the principle of industrial expansion over all will always murder. We call things that grow uncontrollably cancer when they appear in the human body
     
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    He doesn't have to worry about the charges in Sweden any longer. They were dropped, but London police have a warrant for his arrest and they refuse to say whether they have an extradition request for him from the US authorities. He is afraid there may be a sealed indictment against him in the US.
     
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    I'm not playing any games. You claimed he "assaulted some chick". There is no evidence he did and he denies any wrongdoing. You're the one playing games.

    He was wanted for "questioning". He's not "scared" about that, he already agreed to be questioned. He's not hiding either, everyone knows where he is. He is seeking protection from the US government. Get your facts straight.
     

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