Chemical Gas Attack Appears Staged-fake

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    I do kind of get tired of holding the hand of the clueless but:
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...Assad-DID-launch-chemical-weapon-attacks.html

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  2. MrFirst

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    So, all what you can do is to post one more fake?

    This is a bunch of Soviet made standard bomb containers, the journalist who filmed this bunch on Syrian airfield made a comment. They may be used for cluster bombs, in depends on a type. If they were used for keeping chemical weapon - how those ones who filmed this bunch are still alive?

    But even if Syrian airforce used these containers for bombing that village - where are photos? As Balancer said above, these containers would not break into small pieces like an air bomb, but would remain just battered.
     
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    Here the TV journalist Evgeny Poddubny walks right among this "chemical weapon".
     
  4. MrFirst

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    By the way, lethal doze of sarin is 0.07 mg/l.
     
  5. MrFirst

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    So, I would like to repeat my question.
    Who established the fact the chemical weapons were delivered by fixed wing aircraft?
     
  6. Ninian

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    It's called 'an official statement', it's when representative of a country / of a ministry of a country expresses the opinion of the government / ministry.
     
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    Conspiracy theories always "make sense" to certain kinds of people. People with emotional problems and no critical thinking skills..
     
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    Yep...the Russian government.
     
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    Why Is Media Citing Man Accused of Kidnapping Journalists as Credible Source on Syrian Chemical Attack?

    With military intervention on the horizon, media outlets cite Shajul Islam, a doctor accused of working with extremists in Syria.

    Media outlets have been pouring fuel on the fire of war. One of the key voices calling for Western intervention that is being amplified by corporate news networks is Shajul Islam, a doctor in the al-Qaeda-controlled Syrian province of Idlib.

    Islam has accused the Syrian government of carrying out a chemical attack on civilians. Dozens of major media outlets have cited his claims, while conceding that they have not been independently verified.

    Meanwhile, these news publications have failed to disclose a crucial detail about the doctor: He was accused in court of kidnapping journalists in Syria.

    In October 2012, Shajul Islam was arrested in the UK and charged with kidnapping two photographers, one British and one Dutch. He was accused of providing medical treatment for the Salafi jihadist extremist group in Syria that held the journalists hostage.


    The case eventually fell apart and the charges against Islam were dropped because the prosecution was not able to hear evidence from the victims, who were the key witnesses. The attorney said this served "to frustrate the trial from the point of view of the prosecution."

    John Cantlie, one of the journalists Islam was accused of kidnapping, was unable to appear at the trial because he was still a hostage. He had been briefly freed in July 2012, but was soon kidnapped again — this time by ISIS. Cantlie was held with James Foley, the American journalist who was beheaded on camera by Mohamed Emwazi, an ISIS foreign fighter from London.

    Islam's younger brother, Razul, reportedly entered Syria to volunteer as a foreign fighter in the ranks of ISIS.

    Sometime in 2016, Shajul Islam smuggled himself back into Syria and is now working in Idlib.

    AlterNet previously detailed how Idlib is the "heartland" of al-Qaeda, as even hawkish pundits who have repeatedly called for further Western military intervention in Syria have acknowledged.

    None of these facts stopped major news outlets from citing Islam's claims and social media posts in their reports on the alleged Idlib chemical attack, including CBS News, Fox News, McClatchy, the Daily Beast, Voice of America, the New York Daily News, the New York Post, CBC, Politico, the Independent, Vocativ, Bellingcat, Euronews, Middle East Eye, the Mirror, Metro, the Daily Mail, the Sun and UNILAD.

    NBC News and Middle East Eye published entire profiles on Islam without identifying the past accusations against him.

    Even right-wing pro-Trump media outlets that have previously opposed U.S.-led regime change in Syria have suddenly had a change of heart, now that the president is on board. PJ Media and Western Journalism also uncritically cited Shajul Islam without providing any context.

    In another report, NBC News said it spoke with Islam, whom it described as "a London surgeon who was volunteering in a hospital just outside Idlib." NBC added that it "was not able to verify either account from the ground."

    Most of the publications similarly provide just a sentence of background on Islam, noting he was "trained in the UK and now works in northern Syria." None mentioned the accusations of kidnapping.

    Several media outlets that are now uncritically spreading Islam's unverified claims have previously reported on the fact that he was once charged with working with an extremist group in Syria.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-pr...mical-attack-syria-media#.WOfiHeeSpTA.twitter
     
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    Please provide the evidence for this fact. We would love to see it. For without it, it looks like just "take my word for it" by the kind of people who lied to congress. Intelligent people require convincing evidence.
     
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    Russian government, just as any government, can be issuing official statements. And yes, RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. Our military is in Syria, so we do have a say in what is happening and cannot stay silent, so our government issued a legal statement on the situation. Stop being so hysterical over my country already. You make things our of nothing.

    Official statement cannot serve as propaganda, because it is expression of government's opinion. It does not means you suddenly must start believing it - nobody forces anyone to. It's an opinion.

    Though I do find the incident being weirdly timed, and have huge doubts about it being a deliberate strike with chemical weapons by Syrian military by order of Assad. I would like to see this incident investigated, the guilty found, whoever they/them might be, and being judged by a just court. The 'eye for an eye' principle does not exactly fits my definition of justice, and I never liked the decidions made in haste. Action must be quick, but not a decidion of what action to take.
     
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    I have not yet seen evidence of the use of chemical weapons by Asad during the civil war in Syria. I see a lot of propaganda on this topic. And I see a lot of unconfirmed accusations.Do you have any proof?

    I see that the man accuses the person of propaganda about what he did not do. If someone also attacks, for example, on Trump - I will defend the truth in this case too. I do not like lies.
     
  13. Balancer

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    Show results of independent investigations. Show the remains of these bombs.
     
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    Yeah right Ninian except Putin is a dictator who kills his opposition candidates.
     
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  15. Balancer

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    Funny :) On the first photo - old rusty Soviet containers for small ammunition. In addition to form, they have nothing to do with chemical containers.

    Perhaps this Russian journalist will now die! :D



    I can give you even more terrible evidence! See - these photos have chemical weapons. And next to it - the bombs that Russia uses in Syria. Russia uses chemical weapons !!!

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    I will repeat once more. If Syria uses aviation containers with chemical weapons, they will then roll on the ground, on the site of use, virtually whole. Such containers in Syria were found on chemical weapons sites or not?
     
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    If your CIA theory on the origin of ISIS is true......
    then why was AboveAlpha and his team asked to.......?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...been-stopped-at-the-border-of-iraq-if.501501/

    Could ISIS have been stopped at the border of Iraq if.....

    ....
     
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    You mean like the Clintons did? Same evidence against the Clintons as Putin, isn't there?
     
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    What, Navalny already killed? Why did not I hear about it? Breaking news?
     
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    Except for him being not only man living in Russian Federation. Cut it, already. Nothing is proven there, literally. Only assumptions, because he is the only one that media abroad found benefitting from Nemtsov's death. Does not means there is nobody else, who could be wanting dead a politician, a journalist or an ex-military.
     
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    He's about Nemtsov. Wasn't a candidate, but.. Eh, easy to guess who a person from abroad might be meaning. It's not that hard, considering people post the list of "people killed by Putin!!!" on this forum two-three times a month. With non of listed having any sort of evidence, making it look like a politically benefitting death. "he/she must have learned something!" is best argument presented, usually. Due to lack of any actual arguments.
     
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    Yes, our American friends do not understand the concept of "Cui prodest?".
     
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    So if assad did not use chemical weapons in 2013, why would he use them now? Especially now?
     
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    So what do you require? If "US Intelligence" is not enough for you then too bad. Apparently they were convinced enough to take action. Action was taken. Those who do not like it will have to lump it.
     
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    Hey, you believed them before we went into Iraq too. Oh, you forgot about that? What about both heads of the CIA and NSA lying under oath in front of congress? Oh, forgot about that too? What about the lies with the Gulf of Tonkin? Lost us 58000 americans. Oh, you forgot? Well, they lied in all these cases, and yet if intel says it, by god it has to be true!! Chevrolet, baseball, apple pie and mom.
     
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    Meh, so what?
     

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