China Goes Ballistic Over Hague Maritime Ruling

Obama and Clinton are controlled by the same forces.






And mine has just started

 

The U.S. and Canada both follow international maritime law!!!

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The reality is the United States Navy and Military will ENSURE that the international waterways are open and that China will be NOT allowed to interfere with legal navigation in international waters.

PERIOD!!!

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Combined they still are still out weighed by US and allies sea and air power. The US has both the first and second most powerful airforces in the world as well as the means to project both which both China and Russia (which the latter has near zero capability) have little ability to do so. Remember that China gets most of their oil from the ME and if the US has to go elsewhere to take care of business and the ME falls to pieces so does the Chinese ability to power it's nation. As well, if the Chinese goes to war with the US I doubt the first priority of the US will be to make payments on the money they owe China leaving the Chinese the hapless recipients of a nation with no energy, a failed economy and outgunned in a territorial depute.

That said, nobody wants war so the way this will resolve itself is Duterte to make a face saving and generous offer to China to sign over the rights to the disputed areas to China for a hundred years with the provisions that 75%of the labor involved will be Philippine companies and all profits to be split half and half. China gets it's energy security and the Philippines gets developed and all other nations get the heck out except for free passage through the international waters which they already have.

China gets to tell it's people the revolution that cost a hundred million lives paid off and they are secure for another few hundred years, the US gets it's raw materials they need for industry to continue uninhibited and the Philippines gets to make use of something that was theirs but they had no way of using.

 

china never said it will stop the navigation or trading route, consider they are the largest trading country in the world. what it said is claim of island/reef in ScS and its EEZ.

 

If you look at the map of that area the Chinese want to claim the entire South China sea and the entire ocean area from China all the way to the Philippians.

The FACT is the U.S. Navy and Air Force is the Ultimate Power and Authority in the Pacific and we will keep that entire area open to international shipping.

China will NOT be allowed to claim it or stop shipping.

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Which is the most belligerent country in the world and most likely to find some pretext to interfere with Chinese trade routes? China?

 

actually the real reason is more far-reaching. China is a country that thinks in centuries not years. Remember they have been around for 5000 years. They build those things on spratlys so that future generations can file a case and say that in addition to historical claims they also have "administrative ownership" and have built improvements to "aid maritime navigation". Generally in border disbutes the international courts have sided with the party that proved things like this. Having a judgement on record against them sets that back.

 

North Korea.

Vietnam is also BEGGING the United States to once again set up massive American Military bases in Vietnam as a way to buffer China.

In return Vietnam wan't most favored nation trading status but we keep telling them we don't need the bases.

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Oh so those waters are a threat to our security? Interesting!

 

China is also worried over the US fleet in the area. It never knows when they might block their trade since its economy is dependent on free navigation through the waters. This is why they have been negotiating with different nations to recreate their silk roads with high speed trains through Eurasia.

Washington's interference in the Central Asia States with attempted regime changes, and its support of terrorism as well as in the Balkans where China plans on using the port of Piraeus to bring things to Belgrade doesn't have only to do with hurting Russia, but also with containing China.

 

The U.S. Navy is really the only Navy capable of enforcing on a Global Scale Maritime Law and ensuring that International waterways remain open.

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Jeannette....you are making no sense.

First of all since the United States is China's largest trading partner....and since the Chinese economy is HEAVILY dependent upon Chinese Export Sales to the United States......all the U.S. would have to do is refuse to allow any Chinese ship from docking or prevent it from unloading it's goods and the result would be the complete collapse of the Chinese economy in a WEEK!!

We certainly do not need the massive U.S. Nay Pacific Fleet to do this.

This is all about making sure China obeys INTERNATIONAL LAW.

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The US of course! That's why China wants to build its new silk roads across Eurasia.

 

Without those waterways and freedom of navigation raw materials and finished materials cannot flow thus it is of prime importance to not only us but the rest of the world. I know global trade might be a totally new concept to some but try to read up on it so you can contribute to the discussion.

 

Alpha I am only saying what I have read from experts on China and why they want those silk roads with their high speed trains. They fear the American fleet, and want to secure their trade with Europe and the world. I believe they have three routes planned. One of them is to bring the goods to the port of Piraeus and that's why they are now leasing the whole port.

The original intent was to build high speed trains to carry the goods from Greece to Belgrade, but Washington fears the influence of China and Russia in the Balkans, so it's instigating political problems in countries like Macedonia. I believe the high speed train that will go from Moscow to Kazan will eventually go to China and become one of their silk roads.

 

I do too but they will need a lot of time and money to make it so meaning it's years in the future hence has little to do with here and now.

 

It's is good that China is expanding it's trade as a more wealthy Chinese population means a more educated Chinese population that is less willing to abide by what is now a completely irrelevant Chinese Communist Party and Party Leadership that has to search very hard to continue to find ways to remain relevant.

I guess than within a decade the Chinese People will finally have a form of democracy that they so desire.

And they want this...make no mistake...they want it.

The wealthier China becomes...and it is still WAY behind the United States in wealth, technology and it's economy as the U.S. with only 320 million people has the worlds largest economy now at over $19 Trillion and China having over 1.7 Billion people...and China under reports it's population by 300 Million as the Communist Party lists the Chinese population at 1.4 Billion to get human rights groups and the U.N. Poverty and Famine Committees off their ass.

But China actually has 1.7 Billion people and I have spent time in rural China in the areas the Communist Party does not want westerners to see and the CCP spends all their money building skyscrapers that are empty and have huge public works of art commissioned to impress the west when the rest of rural China starves.

If you saw the level of poverty in rural China you would get ill.

Anyways....China....1.7 Billion people.....$7 Trillion Economy.

.................U.S.......320 Million people...$19 Trillion Economy.

Plus the United States is by far the wealthiest nation with total wealth at almost $90 Trillion.....where as China a nation with a population approx 6 TIMES GREATER THAN THE U.S.....has a national wealth of only $22 Trillion.

Thus a single year in the U.S. Economy at approx $19 Trillion is almost as much money as THE TOTAL WEALTH OF CHINA AT $22 Trillion!!!

The ENTIRE PLANET.....has a wealth of $250 Trillion. $90 TRILLION OF THAT IS THE U.S.

See where I am getting at here?

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yes. Understand chinese mindset. They really do think that far ahead. Its a product of having a government that is essentially a technocracy (unelected people) combined with a civilization that has existed for thousands of years.

They are looking at a future where the US blockades them and seeing how they can avoid it. It does make sense.

 

By that time the US will have developed the area and along with a strengthened Philippines and Viet Nam will rule the area. That will happen a lot sooner than China can develop it.

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And maybe someday they will have more than one flush toilet per fifty people.

 

LOL!!

You know...I should not laugh at that.

The Communist Party Leadership does not want westerners to go into rural China and see just how badly impoverished the vast majority of the Chinese people are and it is a TRAVESTY that while Chinese people in rural areas struggle just to have food, clean water and proper sanitation never mind the horrifically bad environmental issues they have as due to very little no ZERO Chinese environmental laws....or at least their enforcing environmental laws that they put on the books to show the world but they do not follow....things like respiratory illness and diseases like lung cancer run rampant in rural China as they burn coal that we sell them which they burn with very little to zero pollution buffers and scrubbers.

If your a tourist and you are allowed to travel in the large cities you will see incredibly modern buildings and art...etc.

But the Chinese Communist Party Leadership keeps on spending ONLY in the big cities as they attempt to show the world a modern and prosperous China.

But if you can get outside the cities and into the rural areas like I have done.....man....it's heat breaking.

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Washington claimed to have some strong coalition to enforce the ruling but as usual there is none. No statement from ASEAN and Europe are weak on this too. The whole thing is a backfire for USA because this exposes USA as being too weak to enforce its US 'international law'. The so-called 'The Hague' is irrelevant if our leader state the USA is too weak to enforce its rulings.

 

I'm reminded of the proposed Seoul, South Korea to Moscow trans-Siberian railway connection that began years ago with efforts to remove land mines along the North and South Korea border. The Chairman of Hyundai Motors accused the US of throwing roadblocks in the way of that project, but it may still be in the works:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/12/11/2014121101814.html

 

The economic problems of Russia and China is what held them back otherwise they would have progressed faster. From what I have gathered the train from Moscow to Kazan will now be financed partially by Germany. To be honest I thought Russia wanted it to be ready for the games.