Christianity and our Nation.

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Palestinian =Hamas. Hamas murders,rapes innocent civilians for propaganda AND it seems to work. They hide behind Palestinians people as if they are not complicit. I've got news for you buddy.....the Palestinians of Gaza are every bit as much to blame as Hamas for Oct. 7th. They were given authority to self govern by Britain first and then Israel. What do they do? They put Hamas as their governing faction. What support has Palestine given to overthrow Hamas and return innocent hostages? None because they are complicit! Ever wonder why their Arab neighbors, namely the Saudi's, Jordan and Egypt don't want anything to do with them? We were beginning to see peace after the Abraham Accord then Biden took Iran off the leash that Trump had them on. Where were yo educated, Columbia University?

    In keeping with the commandment and loving the children of Israel as myself, I am to do everything I can to see the threat they live next to is eliminated! There IS a hard side of love and that is what is on display here. "From the river to the sea", death to Israel, Death to America! That seems like music to your ears. Who shouts death to Palestine?? Your answer?....no one! Israel is just doing the job they must do and if they ever give Gaza leniency to do what they threaten to do 10 times, 100 times 1000 over....it is on them.

    One thing humanists don't understand, there is good and there is evil. There is honesty and there is deception. When you live in shades of grey sometimes you don't know when to call an end to the game.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden was directly responsible for the problems at the docks.
    Biden was directly responsible for depleting our oil reserve as well as installing regulations that cripple refineries and drilling. We should be supplementing Europe with our natural gas, but instead....let Russia do that! He's done everything he or his handlers can do to destroy America!
     
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    Why do you keep saying evolution. Neither you nor I or anyone living has evolved. We are all born into this miracle. As have all previous generations of humans for thousands of years. We didn't evolve to this place or point in time. We were born into it like recipients of a most royal gift. We don't make ourselves, we don't make our light of conscience to know right from wrong, we don't make the power of free choice to choose right or wrong, We don't make the earth or anything on it. We don't make any of it. It is all provided. Yeah we make our little efforts to gather and make a dwelling and so forth. But it is all provided for us to experience. We should have nothing as we have caused nothing, not even our lives, yet we have everything. Evolution doesn't address that.
     
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    Israel's Oct. 7 claims have been shown to be mostly false.

    Plus, Israel has been actively at war with Gaza for decades. For Israel to consider it an afront when Gaza strikes back is the height of hypocrisy.

    I don't like the terrorism, either. But, whining about that in the face of decades of war is bull, especially when salted with lies.

    And, there is NOTHING that could possibly excuse them for the genocide they are carrying out against civilians for MONTHS.

    You have NO justification for pretending men, women and children living in Gaza are "evil".

    The Likud party charter says "from the river to the sea". Not only is Israel carrying out genocide in Gaza, they are stealing the property of Palestinians in West Bank, bulldozing their homes, destroying their agriculture, denying their water rights and protecting "settlers" who decide to shoot Palestinians and burn their homes.

    Israel is a rogue state that MUST be reigned in from their idea that they are free to wage holocaust for profit.
     
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    Using our oil supply to moderate the price of oil was an important step to attack the inflation spike - where oil price spike was the major cause.

    I do not know what you mean by "problems at the docks".

    Exporting even more natural gas than we already are exporting is NOT an act that would help reduce inflation.
     
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    Individuals don't evolve. They are born with a complete set of DNA and that's what they are. But, populations of plants and animals DO evolve. The first fossil of modern humans came about 300,000 years ago in Africa. Here's an article on early human evolution. There were huge numbers of generations of parents before that time, plus Earth was home to Neanderthals, Denisovans as well as Homo sapiens. These three evolutionary branches came from Homo Heidelbergensis, that lived during the period of between 200,000 and 700,000 years ago.

    Yes, Earth is a wonderful place for the life forms here. These life forms evolved to like it here. Those that didn't like it here, aren't here anymore, as the various selection processes didn't favor them. Also, through our agricultural practices we created the fruits, vegetables and animals that form our modern diet. Humans in agriculture selected the versions of apples, etc., that they liked, and by repeatedly doing that, apples became what they are today rather than the shrivled not very digestible plants they once were. In other words, evolution - with humans making the decision on what to keep and what isn't good enough. ALL of our foods have been shaped by careful direction of evolution - in this case by humans making the decisions, not "natural selection".
     
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    We do, but not at the expense of the lives of Israeli's.
     
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    This is absurd.

    It suggests we would have been justified in killing all men, women and children in Germany after the war.

    No significant philosophy justifies that kind of moral degradation - certainly not Christianity.
     
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    There are many things the Founders got wrong. They were human beings. Fallible.
    They established a country and a government that could improve.
    In the Jefferson Memorial in DC there is inscribed on one of the walls a quote from Jefferson

    “I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.“
     
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    In the Old Testament that is EXACTLY what God orders Joshua to do at Jericho.
     
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    The Germans surrendered. Hamas has not. Neither has it released the Israeli hostages. Even so, the IDF isn't killing everyone, only what they have to do to rout Hamas. So if you would preach morality, preach it to Hamas and Palestinians in general. Fwiw, Hamas spared no one in Israel. They only stopped and hid under Gaza out of fear for their own lives after having awakened Israel. Now Israel is on the heels of Hamas, and will stop when Hamas is vanquished. It isn't rocket science.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like a "Holocaust denier". I would like to know "how" they have been shown to be mostly false. You make it sound like that should be common knowledge. So the hang glider attacks were staged? The concert area and abandoned cars were staged? The abductions and phone calls were all staged? The hostages still not accounted for were all staged? University students know better than most of us that follow the news and America fabricates lies? That post seems to verify where you stand. Not just on this subject.....but most things.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you studied the history, Jericho was warned for centuries to turn from it's ways. Cultures often become so corrupt, there is no turning back. God desires that none perish, but when their hearts become hard , to a point, the culture does not have the ability to change. God knows that, not us. That is, unless we replace Him with our "finite" knowledge. The thing at hand is, how do we stop our own hearts as a culture from becoming so hard?
     
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    I don’t care how long Jericho had been warned. God ordered the slaughter of women and children. Not to mention men that had surrendered.
    This wasn’t the evil of man. This was genocide ORDERED by the being you want to claim is the source of all morality

    This one story shows the immorality of the Christian God.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only you can judge.
     
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    Jesus taught that who follows him will live, and who doesn't will die the death. He went on to say that few will live and many will die. So what he ordered at Jericho isn't out of character. If God is real, then he is perfect. If he is perfect, his judgments are just. Are you at war with Israel and Israel's God? Are you holy and immune to justice?
     
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    You are right and moral, and God is wrong and immoral? Listen to yourself. You didn't even exist in this realm before your birth. Now after a few decades, you know everything and are judging God.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It never seems to amaze me.....but we read the 1st chapter of Romans and understand completely!
     
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    Damn right I'm judging God. A being that orders the slaughter of innocent women and children. That demands men that have surrendered to be killed is about is IMMORAL as you can get.
     
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    Israel is not routing Hamas. They are slaughtering civilians - even medical workers and their patients. The various military groups active in Gaza are still nearly fully active as they were a year ago. And, there is no place in Gaza where IDF ground troops are safe.

    I agree that Oct. 6 was a terrorist event. But, so is the slaughter of civilians, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and the purposeful starvation of the people.

    Genocide IS the ultimate terrorist event possible.

    You claim Israel was asleep, but they were waging a siege on Gaza for the last DECADES.

    Beyond Gaza, Israel is bulldozing the homes and agriculture of Palestinians and shooting them on sight. They are burning Palestinian homes. And, the IDF is taking part - killing civilians and leaving their bodies on the streets with no medical help.

    Claiming Hamas are the terrorists is BS. There is NOTHING that Israel is doing that could possibly relieve Israel of the facts of their DECADES of terrorism on the lands owned by Palestinians.
     
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    It was a terrorist act. It very clearly was nothing REMOTELY like a holocaust.

    The entire world, including university students know that Israel is carrying out genocide against Palestine, using US bombs and starvation as their first level weapons against civilians.


    It is not possible to justify that genocide.
     
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    Why do you hate a God whom you say doesn't exist? If he doesn't, you are lashing at a phantom. If he does, you are lashing the giver and keeper of your life. Either one evinces no soundness of mind or reason.
     
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    This is the terrorism of ancient Judaism.

    The slaughter was performed as a way of intimidating other city states that they may be conquered by Joshua more easily.

    That YOUR god recommends terrorism and genocide is not something that you should be proclaiming. It invalidates your religion as something that can be tolerated. There is NO possibility of justifying genocide.
     
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    Hamas of Gaza has brought it on themselves. So it is appropriate, notwithstanding lies to the contrary. When Israel is done with it, the blame will be on Hamas, and the remainder will be free.
     
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    This makes no sense.

    It is the IDEA that there is a god supportive of genocide that is the problem.

    Whether that god is real is irrelevant.
     

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