Christians believe in child marriage

Garry, I do not mean to offend, but really, do you read your posts before you hit the 'reply' button?

Relax, before you do a fuu-fuu valve.

 

No making light here buddy, I'm stating something that I'm am quite serious about. I have concerns about you.

Show us the grubby comments you keep banging on about that you want your merry men to witness?

 

Garry stop pontificating and start having a conversation. None of us know everything but come to places like this to discuss topics. There are some who know more than others. Other posters will be the judge of that. I certainly don't have much but I can tell you I've learnt a great deal from many reasonable people on this forum. I certainly have my opinions and will express them and many a time I'm looking for something to disprove it. My only quality is trying to be as contrarian as possible because you always know there is another side to the populist story.

 

Sorry to say there is no conversation to be had with grubs like you... You have made your disgusting beliefs known...

If anything could come of this YOU might actually stand and oppose child abuse in ALL its forms, but it is clear to everybody that you will only do so if it suites your agenda…

 

Show us where we supported any form of child abuse.

 

When it comes to child abuse there is NO excuse for anybody to attempt to find excuse or minimise the impacts of such. Far too many Children are affected in many ways due to abuse which goes ignored and actually demonised by people such as these grubs who want to use this subject for their own means.

I could pursued the original poster for his use of the issue but as he was attacking the institutional teachings of Child abuse, to which I am aware I simply pointed out that it was a secular issue. However, While one grub along with others have posted their grubby tactics with laying claim as this disgusting grub continues to do the other demonstrated their ability to excuse such, now claiming lie.

This is very serious subject that has no place being marginalised by some trolls in attempt to shut down posters they do not agree with. Even to the point where after being accused of the same one would try and attempt to use that comment to demonstrate something completely different from the intention.

As stated NOTHING BUT GRUBS...

Support what you like, you can judge my comments as you wish. BUT I will ALWAYS stand up to STOP child abuse and the people who would marginalise it for personal gain, which clearly is not the intention of the GRUBS we see in this forum...

And before you try and claim different, This THREAD is clear example of my comments.

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been there, done that, not going to lower myself to your level...

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been there, done that, not going to lower myself to your level...

 

You haven't shown nothing....zip....nil...your accusations wreek of desperation. All you are attempting to do is try and hold some higher moral ground. Unfortunately you leave me with serious suspicions.

 

Well Garry, all I can say is that I have seen no-one supporting or excusing (etc etc etc) child abuse of all forms. You are whipping yourself needlessly into some sort of frenzy of Don Quixote proportions. That I do not make a post condemning it is not confirmation that I support or excuse or trivialise etc etc etc it.

It is a given that no-one need get all hairy chested about.

 

Eh??? I have simply pointed out why these Grubs are what they are. Since you could not be bothered reading back, as you have already made mention it is beneath you to do so and everybody should spoon feed you that is fine.

Weather you make admission or not on child abuse is up to you. I make NO claim that you should do neither this nor, that. BUT if you do make posts that in anyway marginalise, excuse or trivialise then expect the same.

You have made your judgement and I do stand by my comments. If it was not the fact I know who you are from previous then I would be far more open to your comments.Don't concern yourself be all can also see they way the tag teaming has been traveling

But hey, what do you expect when people want to act like grubs...

 

I am not an individual who arbitrarily concocts data to be antithetical against a particular group of people without reason.

Unfortunately, the majority of adults in Australia have become so intellectually devolved, its now similar to educating a group of stubborn 2 year olds.

On numerous occasions independent evidence has been produced to support that sharia law is being used in Australia, and “loop-holes” in the Australian legal system is supporting child sexual abuse used by sharia law in condoning pre-pubescent child marriages.

The Victorian Crimes Act 1958 - Section 45 Sexual penetration of a child under the age of 16

(4) ( c ) the accused satisfies the court on the balance of probabilities that he or she believed on reasonable grounds that he or she was married to the child.

This insidious law allows Muslims to use sharia law to conduct sexual abuse against children under the disguise of marriage. What is even more distrubing, is that NO age limit was set. Therefore, a Muslim man has the potential to marry and have sex with 9 year old child, and its not considered an offense under this outrageous law.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s45.html

 

It is only a loophole now that Muslims may use the same language that was written for Christians. That section that you quote was not written with Sharia law or muslims in mind. There weren't enough of them. That is broadly based language to allow Christians, Mormans ,Hindus, Muslims or anyone who believed themselves legally married to escape criminal sanction. There were lots of immigrants from lots of different cultural traditions that are exempt from this criminal statute. Hell Husbands of lawfully married women from Mississippi, Idaho, Hawaii, Georgia, New Hampshire Massachusetts and Missouri could otherwise have been guilty of this sexual assault crime. Lets not blame Muslims or 'Sharia law" for doing what Australian law allowed Christians to do all these decades.

I do agree with you that the 'loophole' should be closed, but its not that I worry about what Tarek or Khalepha may do with it. Its that I worry what anyone will do with it.

 

Very good editing, now let's look at the entire thing, just so we can get it in context shall we.

The only thing your quoted line does is to determine whether or not consent is considered if and only if the child is over 12.

That's the truth

Make sure the lies you tell are not so easily refutable, this is the second time you have been caught out...careful

 

Remember me posting this ...

 

Some people here are insinuating, and fairly obviously so, that:-
My posts here are in some way a reflection on my support of Muslims and/or Islam.
My posts here insinuate that I support Islam over Christianity and/or Judaism and/or other beliefs.
My posts insinuate that I support child abuse under Islamic (Sharia) or any other law, belief or for some other reason.
That I in some way condone paedophillia if for religous reasons.
Yadda yadda yadda

The truth, all these are fiction created in your own mind to help justify your misconception.

The TRUTH is I am against the lies spread by those filled with a hatred built on fear alone who are willing to jeopardise our safety, security, lifestyle and increase the division within society until our streets run with blood.

I support TRUTH, SECURITY, LOGIC, REASON, UNDERSTANDING, COMPASSION and INTEGRITY.

Don't lie and you will never hear from me.

 

After discussing this with other people and researching the subject more, I have come to the conclusion that
child marriages permitted under religious law do not constititute paedophilia...

 

Thank you

 

Please tell me your're kidding? You do know there is a difference between arranged marriages & men marrying children?

Just ask yourself one question. Why does a religion in 2016 (Islam) allow adult men to marry 13 year old children?

Please tell me you are NOT suggesting that child sexual abuse is acceptable under a religion?

 

I think Orthodox Jews allow marriage when the female is 12 1/2.

 

Garry17, I now know the reason why LeftRightLeft is so protective of Muslims (Islam) who condone child sexual abuse. The Aboriginal culture also condones child marriages.


Aboriginal child bride laws attacked

A NEW report has called for the outlawing of traditional Aboriginal customs in remote communities that sanction violence against women and children and the promised marriage of girls as young as four.

The report, by Sydney academic Helen Hughes, calls for the age that girls can marry in remote communities to be raised to 18, the age that both the bride and groom must be to marry in the rest of Australia.

Professor Hughes' call follows a controversial decision by the Northern Territory's Chief Justice, Brian Martin, last month to sentence a 55-year-old Aboriginal elder to only four weeks' jail for hitting his 14-year-old "promised wife" with a boomerang and having forced anal sex with her.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...e-laws-attacked/2005/09/21/1126982123475.html

 

All I said was that its not pedophilia...
I think you would find that any prosecutor would be hard pressed to prove "mens rea"
if an adult muslim husband was charged with sexual assault on his child bride, believing
under his religion/culture/Islam that he was doing no wrong.
I made no reference to any other topic except that it is not pedophilia...I wont comment further
on any other topic....

 

That is splitting a might fine moral and ethical hair - isn't it? In 2016, humanity should never allow child sexual abuse under a religion. In 2016, NO religion should ever allow or condone child sexual abuse.

On both accounts, Islam is allowed to sexually abuse children under their religious law. That should be considered abhorrent behaviour to any decent individual.

 

Morality and ethics dont come into criminal jurisprudence...

 

I understand, but when it comes to protecting vulnerable children - it should.

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I understand, but when it comes to protecting vulnerable children - it should.

 

Vulnerable children? Something on the order of half the 15 year olds have screwed someone. When I was 15 years old all I was trying to get was laid . . . unsuccessfully.

 

Are you suggesting that if a 9 year old becomes sexually aware, they should be given permission to "screw" adults in their 20's and 30's?