Christians, why make your kids go to church?

My parents did not force me to go to church and neither will I with my kids.

 

The premise behind schooling is to teach the child to think for themself. Church, the opposite.

 

In an ideal world, anyway. I don't think schools deliver on that, though.

 

When did I ever make that argument? Why do you need to present any evidence when, according to the Bible and most Christians, people have all the evidence they need to make a proper judgment.

Uh, no need to be a drama queen. I'm posing a question, not breaking into your homes and interrogating you. Jesus freaking Christ.

Because some of you are crazy and you demonize? All I'm doing is asking questions in a forum where people are meant to do such things and you're acting like I'm hunting down Christians. Guess it's difficult trying to feel actually persecuted in a country like the US, so you have to make stuff up.

btw, nothing you said actually addressed the question. Is the Bible lying when it says everyone knows who the Christian god is and that they know right from wrong?

I was unaware that I ever stated that.

This is a case of another lying Christian making crap up. I never said anything about prophets.

wtf are you talking about?

Is your spacebar and keyboard not working? You're making up a lot of words and look really silly. Do I know a lot about the Christian faith? Let's see, every single person in my family is a Christian. I went to church every sunday - twice a day - and wednesday night for my childhood. My family founded the biggest church in the area, as well as the biggest Christian school, which I attended. I've read the entire Bible. Hmm, yeah, I think I know a little something about your religion. Now, can you stop with your BS and actually get on topic? You didn't answer the question.

Why would ******* people to hell for eternity and be angry about people being non-Christians if not everyone is properly "informed" about the religion?

You tell me I'm not properly informed, so why would I go to hell for something you claim I know nothing about?

I have no idea what a "youbstartbthads" is. Please use real words.

Which one of WHAT is honest? I have no idea what you're talking about. lol. This conversation seems pointless. You're just an angry theist incapable of staying on topic or using real words.

blah blah blah. See, you're not really representing your faith in the right way. You're acting like a total dick head, getting all worked up and just yelling non-words and insults at people instead of offering a relevant, intelligent reply that shows the love of Jesus. So, maybe stop taking the interwebs so seriously and think before you type, because not only are you being a poor rep for Jesus, you're nothing making any sense. You're making up words and calling names and saying a bunch of stuff that isn't even addressing what I'm saying. And you completely ignored the Bible verses I threw at you. That's because you know I'm right and don't want to admit it, so you just ignore it and call me names. I'll post it again.

Romans 9:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."


Now, be a civil person and be on topic and use real words, or I'm just going to ignore you.

 

So, you think it's fair that a child who was not raised with Christianity and doesn't really know anything about it ends up being dammed for eternity because, as a teen or adult, they didn't end up following the Christian god?

 

And public schools are doing so well teaching children to think for themselves? No. In some areas, half the kids drop out and the other half graduate illiterate.

But wait, religous schools seem to be doing quite well educating children. Maybe you should rethink your bias.

 

This has more to do with the parents than the schools they go to. Drop outs generally happen in low income families and/or in families where the parents pay no attention to what their kids are doing. People who pay for their children to go to a school are usually going to try to get their money's worth. Kids drop out because parents let them. Kids don't do their homework because their parents don't make them. There's nothing a school can do to stop that.

And religious schools generally hate science. Sure, they teach the basic stuff, but they don't teach kids to really respect the scientific method. They generally hate evolution and instead fill kids heads with "god dun it." And yeah, I know know. I went to one. But still, church =/ school. If religious schools are bad about teaching critical thinking, church is usually even worse.

 

I went to Sunday School as a kid, and quite enjoyed learning about Moses in the bull-rushes, David and Goliath, Jacob and his coat
of many colours, and many other parables...however when it was time to go to church I went for a year, and then my parents decided
that as I had been given enough of an introduction to religion, that it was then up to me to decide if I wanted to continue...I didnt...I preferred to play cricket with my mates...but I had learnt sufficient to become what I consider to be a decent human being...
I have however seen little kiddies taken to church by their very religious parents, year after year, as I spent many sundays in the
Kingdom Hall with one of my exes...these kiddies were not paying attention to anything during the service, and older kids were
nearby, listening intently, obviously being brainwashed by the fear and guilt peddled by this puritan sect...
Anyway...kids neednt go to church until they understand what its about...say about 14..and then only if they want to go...
Religious brainwashing of children amounts to child abuse when you see what the kids have to do at such a tender age...
However sunday school..nothing wrong with that...but it probably doesnt exist any more............

 

I think every christian has their own reason.

With some it is an attempt to assure that their children are properly indoctrinated into christian theology. But most just want their children to have some idea of a loving and kind god who expects them to behave morally.

If part of a child's christian teaching involves violence or hatred of others it should be (and I think would be by most communities) reviled.

Parents are free to teach their children anything they want. Thank God, the children usually grow up and decide for themselves.

 

Jesus was a Bible thumper when he was 12. Look how that turned out.

 

My question is clear. What laws are based on Judeo-Christian values?

 

Thats your experience, you are just regurgitating propaganda. Don't extrapolate to all schools.

 

That the actuality doesn't always achieve the premise is diversion. Religious (note spelling) "schools" indoctrinate. Have you seen "Jesus Camp"?

 

have you ever tried to find a sitter on Sunday morning?

 

Uh, I'm relating my experience and knowledge of religious schools. I never said anything about ALL schools. But get real. Most religious schools do not teach/embrace evolution or critical thinking, or other scientific methods and theories. No propaganda. Just the way it is.

And you had nothing to say to my explanation of why kids at religious schools are less likely to fail or drop out. I assume you accept that I'm right. You just don't want to admit it.

Are you really going to try to convince me that parents just have their kids tag along because they don't want to find a sitter? Nice try.

Well, I'd say a sunday school class that teaches children about a misogynistic religion where you are seen as an evil entity, deserving of eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation simply for existing and not accepting such a sadistic, unseen, unprovable god as your master is technically child abuse.

 

all self-respecting churches have Sunday School and daycare for the ones too young for that.

 

Your question wasn't clear. It was more of a rant.

Our society has been built on Judeo/Christian values. Israel is built on Judeo values. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afganistan societies are built on Islamic values. Its an obvious thing that countries have laws contructed around the values taught within the majority belief system of that country.

A value may be shared by several belief systems--its not necessarily exclusive. And some values are not. And values tend to fall to the wayside as the belief system alters or changes.

Self-sufficiency, free-will, tolerance are Christian values. As is charity, monogamy, and parental respect. Accepting esponsibility, accepting consequences for one's actions, and...the concept that men AND women are both created in the image of God. Women may have been slotted into roles in the past---but they have never been considered subhuman as they are in some societies.

If a person appreciates the foundation of their country---they should learn where the values come from that built the laws and society.

An interesting country is Japan---a nation where a majority say they are not religious. But Buddism and Shinto values are very strong there because people grew up with it, participate in it---and it shapes their society as much as Islam shapes Iran.

So specifically---I can't name a law that comes straight from a Christian value---its a collection of laws that shape a society. And once the belief system changes---that collection of laws that shape a society will drastically alter that nation.

If a person appreciates the foundation---they will at least appreciate and learn where it came from.

A good start on helping your child appreciate those values that built this country is to send them to Sunday School.

 

Who says they go to church to save them?

From what I understand, going to Church with the family is normal. And, from what I understand, in Christianity, children are a part of the family (sarcasm). So... When the parent(s) go to Church, the children will go too.

The parents, naturally, will want THEIR children to share THEIR values and beliefs.

I find this question/scenario quite arrogant actually... I mean, why force other people's children to be something you want them to be, while condemning their parents for raising them that way?

Hmm...

Now, if your child wanted to go to Church, would you force them not to go? Would force your child to be Athiest?

 

So the laws I mentioned, how are those based on Christian values?

 

I'm sorry your aren't capable of comprehending and that certain logical concepts elude you.

You may continue to live in your box with my blessing.

 

That's a strawman. The Colonel was talking about critical thinking, not how illiterate public school leaves its students. However, as I posted earlier, public schools seem to be failing at that mandate. They're not doing the best on the stuff you've named, either. Religious schools may in fact do better at teaching youngsters the basics, but they also indoctrinate them with religious thinking.

 

Private schools in general, religious or not, have lower drop out rates than public schools.

Gator's point is moot.

 

You cannot accuse all religions, charity is voluntary, otherwise it is not charity.

 

True, however I can certainly point out that even within Christianity, even Christians as a whole don't even agree on what the hell to believe.

 

Very true.