Clashes as yellow vest protests grow in Belgium, Netherlands

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  1. Mac-7

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    Thats a socialst question
     
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    The conservatives and Trump just stole billions ($800B+) of dollars and are spending it on socialized farming.

    You are responsible for that, so don't be a hypocrite. You are the thief.
     
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    This may surprise you but I think farm subsidies can and should ended

    But tne. farm lobby has influence in both parties
     
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    So, you think drug companies ripping off everyday Americans is "socialist question?" Tell your buddy, President Lard Bucket, he should stop talking about high prescription drug prices.
     
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    No rich man ever robbed me or my house. But a dumbass poor white man came to my front door and tried to chop it open with a hatchet. We weren't there. My neighbor drove him off with a 38. Should a killed that dumb drug-infested bastard.
     
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    I dont hate drug companies

    They spend billions on research for new drugs that no socialist government could do as well
     
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    All tax laws are extremely complicated, and those trained in such things can always find examples to illustrate any wrong they wish to illustrate. You cite one single flaw in the new tax law that conflicts with the overall thrust of that law--to enrich the wealthy more than they are now--and conclude the law itself is a complete failure. That's both insincere & unfair. All you have to do is watch the stock market's response to that tax law to see whether it serves the wealthy. Stocks boomed. That says it all.
     
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    It’s not a sin to be wealthy; it is to covet what isn’t yours.
     
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    clueless that's you starjet, you're not intelligent enough to make the right choices in life which is why educated people are required make them for you...some children never grow up sufficiently to make adult decisions

    and with that I send you to the permanently ignore list where all trolls and those of insufficient intelligence end up...you're not worth anyone's time
     
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    I am guilty of neither. Wealth has never been a focus of attention or action in my life, and I am happy for those who have wealth. I have no jealousy toward them at all, and have no desire to take what they have from them. But I do support changing the system that continually feeds their wealth with more, while leaving an ever increasing population totally out of that flow of income. Let the wealthy stay wealthy, but change the system to serve the financially challenged better than now.
     
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    there was no intrusion into anyone's lives that does not already exist...tax credits for choosing an electric car, intrusion? would you prefer a carbon tax added to the fuel for your vehicle or home heating?...

    mandating minimum housing standards to reduce energy needs, every first world country and most of the rest has minimum housing/building standards already, consumers demand it... even your home was built following government standards as do all of your appliances and vehicles...the standards for vehicle and buildings are continually being reviewed and upgraded, nothing radical or new there

    reducing/eliminating CO2 emissions from vehicle, home and industry use, hydrocarbons are the major sources of GHGs...

    my next and probably last vehicle will be electric and if I was younger and just starting my adult life an off the grid home would be my choice...a life free of energy bills, you bet bring it on!:banana:
     
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    and how are you going to do that? other than taxation?
    for the most part I've no axe to grind with wealthy either but there are obnoxious primadonna wealthy who think they need the ground the walk on worshiped and believe the rest of us owe them...

    some of the wealthy became that way by exploiting the poor with ridiculous low wages need to be reminded who made them wealthy, the poor...and who buys their products, the middle class...they couldn't have become wealthy without the masses, paying something back to benefit those made it possible for them to be wealthy isn't a lot to ask...
     
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    I agree with your post, but the past several decades have been powerful proof that most ultra-wealthy individuals and/or families, simply don't care about those less fortunate. For that reason, the best practical option would be to install more social programs thru government to distribute new wealth to those who need & deserve it most. Taxes may be one important way to help achieve that goal, but higher minimum wages, a national healthcare program, free education thru at least junior college level, guaranteed 1 month paid vacations for everyone, and programs to rectify homelessness, would all be important steps toward success.
     
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    Tax cuts always generate more income, investment and tax revenue. That is irrelevant to the inconvenient truth that Trump's tax cuts hiked taxes on the rich. And many of them are not happy about it as I am sure you know.
     
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    If 50% of the entire country, a 1st world country, makes 1930 euro or LESS... than they obviously don't get paid enough. I dunno what the government can do against this. But I heard Macron is going to raise the minimum wage by 100 euro. So that's something.
     
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    Now, how should I take a post like this
    Tongue-in-cheek or seriousness?
    For it could be you’re Friedrich Nietzsche?
    Back from the dead to come and chain me.

    You see it’s very hard for me to tell.
    You play your part so exceedingly well
    So let me query this of you:
    Aren’t there smarter minds than your’s too?


    Ayn Rand: The political philosophy of collectivism is based on a view of man as a congenital incompetent, a helpless, mindless creature who must be fooled and ruled by a special elite with some unspecified claim to superior wisdom and a lust for power
    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/collectivism/7.html

    So,

    Are you one of the mystic elite
    Here to help this mindless fool?
    Or are you truly truly truly true
    Chuckling softly, Tongue-in-cheek?
     
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    That worn out supposition is no longer true, and hasn't been for the past several decades. The majority of investors abandoned America & went overseas. Trump has done nothing so far to reverse that. Trump's tax break has done nothing to increase jobs. But it's don a lot to further enrich the already rich. A handful of the wealthy class may have had taxes raised a bit, temporarily. But the vast majority of high income & wealthy are in much improved situation with Trump's tax cuts. The middle & lower classes improve for a few years, then in 2025 have all their cuts eliminated, and they automatically revert to pre-tax cut levels. Tax cuts for the wealthy remain intact. Those in the wealthy bracket who still complain are people who can never be satisfied, no matter how good their lives are.
     
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    In a capitalist society, the moral are rewarded for creating values. Those that don’t, aren’t. That’s life, and it’s wonderful because all I have to do to be rich and happy is...Think.
     
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    An example ... we can give people living in older homes or driving older vehicles a pass on environmental controls. We can focus on making people who can afford to build new homes to be fuel efficient.
     
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    yup the old trickle down method just never worked, not surprisingly trickle down is a rich mans concept...the rich got wealthy because of the trickle up, consumer spending...it's lower and middle class masses that drive the economy, give them more disposable income and they'll spend it...even Henry Ford understood that, if he paid his work force well they could then afford to buy his cars and they did.
     
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    don't agree, older homes we can't do much about other than offer incentives to upgrade their efficiency, so eliminate the taxes on green upgrades as all older homes are renovated/upgraded at some point or torn down...the technology to reduce heating costs to near zero is already here people need to understand a healthy environment is more important than fancy gizmos in the home.... but save enough money and they can have an energy efficient home and those fancy home luxuries too...it's a matter of priorities...

    cars, the average vehicle has a relatively short lifespan replace an ICE car with an electric, it's a natural attrition we already have with vehicles... again remove the taxes from green alternatives to help people make the switch, this will also help auto manufacturers bring down cost....gear heads may hate it at first but I've never met a gear head who turned down better performance and electric kicks butt! I know I'm a motorcycle gearhead and so are my aging conservative buddies, nearing the last years of our gearhead days we're all envious of the new electric age we won't be part of, high performance and no fuel costs!

    long term cost savings by going green are already here, the initial higher investment in green technology is repaid by energy savings...lower expenses, healthier planet, that's a win win
     
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    Both Capitalist & Democratic Socialist countries offer the same personal opportunities that you describe.
     
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    That’s something alright—something that will just make them poorer.
     
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    Well, if they spent, someone was getting rich giving them what they want. Yes? Sounds like win win to me.
     
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    LOL. Failed political science, yes?
     

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