Climate change will create a toxic brew for herbivores

http://www.newscientist.com/article...-will-create-a-toxic-brew-for-herbivores.html

I keep telling everyone - where we are really going to feel climate change is not in the thermometers but in the agricultural sector

 

I agree 100%.

We can also do a lot to combat it in the same sector.

Right now I am working on a pasture rotation for my cows. I put them on a small plot of ground for one day and rotate the grazing so that they don't hit the same patch for seven days.

I am going to see if this gives the grass a better recovery....And since I am small I can recycle all (well almost all) the manure back into the soil.

I have vegetables coming out of my ears! This year has been my best ever.

I will save the surplus and get a few more pigs to reclaim some more of that rock I live on.

I go goats to clear the brush, cattle to cut the grass, pigs to plow, chickens to rake...and then veggies.

Then back to chickens to clean the veggie garden, then grass, then cows, then pigs, then chickens.

I works real well so far.

I have one spot I keep in garden all the time....12 months a year.

 

This is an other negative aspect of global warming that I was unaware of.

The environment will change. I do not have the ability to predict how resilient Mother Nature is, but I do know that things we accept as known constants will no longer be true. My first thought is that even though nature has the ability to adapt to change, that ability requires generations or ages to achieve fruition. A decade or two is surely insufficient.

I really hate being the first generation that has to regret the world that they left to their offspring.

 

That is why some of us spend our time posting on these forums.

Sometimes it seems hopeless but the world is coming around.

 

Rather than to make postulations like this, it might make sense to see what happened to herbivores, if anything, in past warming periods. I don't know the answer. I do know that this article is politically charged.

 

And that is what many do not understand. Whether the MWP was warmer is not the issue; how much faster the current rate of warming is than the rate of warming of the MWP is. Whether climate has changed in the past is not the issue; how much faster it is changing than the past is. And, yes, humans may be able to adapt; but at what cost to our standard of living? Our health? Our environment? IMO, we either pay a little now or end up paying a lot in the future.

 

What most likely happened to the herbivores in the past is that they had a chance to adapt to the changes in the plants. At the current rate of change, adaptation is not possible.

 

That sounds like an opinion. I'll just leave it at that.

 

More than an opinion because there is more and more research showing this is a concern - even the link in the original post is to a review of literature on this

 

Yes, it is. Feel free to offer your opinion.

 

There is a theory out there that says that dinos may have died because of plant toxins.

I read it somewhere...don't remember where.

 

The climate has a history of changes, you know. There have been massive extinctions. Even if we weren't polluting the Earth as we do now, we should expect another shift in climate and mass extinction event eventually.

 

But this time it could be us!

Climate change happens naturally over thousands of years....not decades.

 

this is true, humans are contributing to climate change, we do not know the exact results yet, we may be delaying a ice age by global warming, what we should all agree on is more research is needed cause man is contributing to climate change, that much is a fact

 

Yeah mate but it is not something I want me or mine to have to live through!!!

 

False. Ice ages are the result the variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit or the removal of CO2 from the carbon cycle. The variations are not in the cold phase and CO2 is, obviously, not in danger of being removed.

 

how do you think wine and cider was discovered - and they've been around for milleniums...... don't worry about it, if anything find it interesting and realize that climates constantly change, and remember that at one point egypt was underwater.

 

Still not getting it. Yes climates have changed in the past and a depressingly significant number have been associated with mass extinctions - not something that is nice to live through

 

Oh yes. It just has to be politically charged, since you disagree with the contents. Because everyone knows that the only uncharged information is stuff you already agree with.

 

Oh come on....Cider and wine were probably discovered by accident and it probably had nothing to do with climate. The same with cheese.

Warm weather happens every year...it is called summer.

Cider is much more popular where the good apples are grown...not where the climate is so warm that the apples that come off the tree are mush.

 

OF course Egypt was underwater at one point - it is called a freaking FLOOD and they happen regularly

 

I am actually now doing research in climatology with Dr. Wickwar at Utah State University operating one of the largest LIDAR systems in the world. Basically what we do is fire a 30hz 532nm laser into the upper atmosphere were we are concentrated on looking at 45km. We use Rayleigh Scattering to get a signal back from the reflected light from the nitrogen and oxygen in the stratopause. From this we measure the density and temperature profiles. We have 11 years of data from the old LIDAR system which I am currently working on to analyze using IDL (interactive data language) whether or not their is a solid increase in temperature has yet to be confirmed. On the other hand we do not explicitly do research in climate change for certain reasons specifically the politicization of science. We had a case were someone from EDL (energy dynamics lab) wanted to work with us doing some research in climate change. We would get lofty funding, however the catch was he wanted certain results. This wasn't the case of him and his team predicted certain results but he had a biased to what data he wanted which is an automatic red flag. Often times the case is if you want funding you say your doing research in climate change.

 

You are studying science and you expect to convince us using anecdotes? I doubt if you have ever taken a university level science class in your life.
And I was just offered $1,000,000 by an unnamed oil company if I would write an anti AGW blog. Yeah, really I was. I would not lie to you!!!!!

 

Why did you not report is as a case of academic misconduct??

 

Wow, all that with no federal government program, mandate or other coercion?