Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Sure. We trust the science developed at NASA and 3400 plus universities in the world and EVERY major climate research and every govt in the free world on AGW. Case closed. That’s your example.
     
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    Nope. Unlike deniers, I know large body water temperature changes more slowly because the mass is so much greater being 70% of the earths surface, then the air. Maybe it never occurred to you that water has more mass density then air. Strange, you didn’t know that and had to rely on me to tell you. Son if a gun.
     
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    “ dogma”, that’s a new one. Enjoy.
     
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    I really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. It isn’t science. Life exists at many levels of the the atmosphere too.
    Change in climate faster then our species can adapt creates problems for our survival. For other species, it’s not the case.
    Of course, if you don’t believe in evolution, then deniers have no reason to believe in AGW. That’s why the science of AGW is a good bellwether for science awareness in general. You have a question ? You have qualified people and institutions all over the internet to direct your inquiries. Just denying they are available is enough to make your comments silly.
     
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    Well, you are desperate into without knowing it. You should widen your reading.
     
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    Don’t have a clue what you’re saying. “Into” is a preposition. It needs an object.
     
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    Well, you are deep into without knowing it. You should widen your reading.
     
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    Science doesn’t say that. It says you need to test a large enough sample to ensure herd immunity has occurred. That could occur by “natural selection” or vaccine. It’s ridiculous to think you’re going to separate yourself from the trading partners in the rest of the world as far as transmitting diseases is concerned.
     
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    R e a d i n g......that makes as much sense. I just widened my reading.
    Now, let’s see an object for the prep “into”.
     
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    And to think, you are the one that clued me in that global warming denial was based on fraudulent evidence.....
     
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    I don't know what science you think that I am denying? After all I did attend a top university and got all A's majoring in physics. Even though I don't know everything, I do know quite a bit about light, energy, and little itty bitty particles, and their interactions. I don't think that there is a single credible physicist who denies fossil fuel burning caused global warming.
     
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    It is not a matter of whether it warms the atmosphere. The question is how much and our ability to accurately predict it. That is where my opinion departs from the AGW crowd.
     
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    Kind of like the "scientists" who created the models predicting 2.2 million dead fro the CCP/DP Wuhan Novel Coronavirus Pandemic.
     
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    A key difference between deniers and those who practice science, the denier does not seem to know what he doesn’t know. They are freak’n experts and claim they know more then the scientists. Amazing.
     
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    Why don't you try the honest approach? How much of my money do you need to solve this "problem"?
     
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    Doesn’t sound like someone listening. First, we aren’t done yet. We could be years and not just just six weeks in. Second, the predictions made were under the assumption we did ,title to nothing to mitigate the situation. Maybe no one noticed. We ve dramatically cut back on human interaction.
     
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    Isn’t it dishonest to think you can get by without science for free ? It would cost you more. Did you buy or borrow your cell phone ? I assume you didn't die of small pox. That wasn’t free. Science isn’t free.
     
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    IOW, the models were Fake Science/Fake News - as usually, and no justification for the absurd, deadly Draconian emergency measures imposed for a disease with a very low mortality rate.
     
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    Very low mortality rate ? We’ve lost more people in six weeks then the entire VN war. It has now replaced heart disease and cancer for death rates. It’s the number one cause of deaths per day in the US.
     
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    Yet you offer none of your own while beseeching me for mine.
     
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    Seriously ? The rights first concern is always, how much will it cost instead of, how many lives will be saved. They’re always on the wrong side. Saving lives and suffering always saves money.
     
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    O'Really? How much have you kicked in?
     
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    Should give folks pause about the fear mongering based on models. Bet most can’t even name the model version used to scare people about climate change.
     
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    The lefts main concern is how much power they can gain by scaring people regardless of facts.
     
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    Global warming, like every other issue the Right argues over, is based on a shared collection of misinformation. It is an example of the efficiently of right wing propaganda. But then it might be built in. From a young age, good conservative Christians are taught to fear the "evil" of liberals and science, especially evolution. You see it, as so many see a college education as little more than liberal indoctrination. Unless one attends a Christian college.

    The evidence for fossil fuel burning caused global warming is overwhelming, yet it is useless to argue the facts because those who deny, have their own "facts".

    It has a lot to do with changing attitudes. More and more it is becoming unacceptable to pollute, to more and more people. It was companies like ExxonMobil and Koch who first pushed the denial narrative. Mostly because the necessary restrictions are going to hurt them most. Them and all dirty industries. Denying global warming is not only denying science, it is denying the ill effects of pollution. It is denying the changing reality. And if there is one thing conservatives don't like, it is change.
     

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