CNN: Democrats really, really, really don't like Donald Trump

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Actually you can and it's the Right-Wing Racists that prove that fact.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial/index.html

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...o-men-killed-defending-teens-from-racist.html

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ism_bigotry_and_abuse_since_the_election.html

    We know where the hate is really coming from and it's coming from the right-wing White Nationalists/White Supremacists in America just like it's always come from the right-wing White Nationalists/White Supremacists in America.

    The right-wing attempts to hide this fact by pointing to a few isolated anecdotal cases of left-wing violence but statistically the Alt-Right (Trump supporters) have a lock on violence in the United States which is why US law enforcement groups consider right-wing extremism to be the most serious threat of terrorism in the United States and not Islamic terrorism.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speak for yourself buble boy.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You were bringing Hillary out of the primaries regardless of whether you wanted to or not, and Hillary never accomplished anything in her whole life.

    If Bill Clinton had never been POTUS, she would have never been a senator. She did nothing as a senator. She had negative achievements as a SoS.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hate to break it to you, but the Portland guy was a liberal Bernie voter.

    That's who has been attacking people and rioting for over a year now: the left.

    Your only example is Roof, and that one is tenuous at best. You also have a bunch of FAKE stories, like the "3 trump supporters attack girl on train" one.

    There have been zero right wing groups running around attacking people.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The two are hardly comparable. I didn't vote for either Obama or Trump but that doesn't render me incapable of seeing the differences between the two.

    Former President Obama respected the Office of the President and served with honor and integrity throughout his time in office, He was highly qualified to be President with knowledge of the Constitution, history, and our government. He gained the respect of Americans, leaving office with a 59% approval rating and once again elevating the United States to the Number One position in the Free world with an approval rating of 65% after it had suffered under the prior Republican administration. He's economic policies were significant in the recovery from the worst Recession the nation had faced since the Great Depression and those economic policies continue today providing jobs with the unemployment rate below 5% while corporate profits remain very high. He was instrumental in the significant health care reform that provided insurance for those with pre-existing conditions as well as providing insurance to over 20 million Americans that wouldn't have had that insurance otherwise. As much negative rhetoric about "Obamacare" coming from Republicans the fact remains that at least 60% of Americans oppose the repeal of Obamacare and instead want Congress to fix it's problems that are, in fact, relatively few. President Obama always worked to make America FIRST in the world and was successful in doing that throughout his presidency.

    President Trump has no respect for anything except Donald Trump. He was completely unqualified and unfit to be president not just in the opinion of the Democrats and many independents but also in the opinion of the editorial boards from conservative publications across the United States. President Trump has never had an approval rating with the American people above 50% and his actions since taking office have eroded that down to about 37% with over 1/2 of all Americans highly opposed to his presidency. Internationally he's driving the approval rating of the United States president to 22% that's even below Vladimir Putin world approval rating. There are no countries in the Free World that trust Donald Trump to do the right thing and German Chancellor Merkel has replaced the American President as the leader of the Free World today. Donald Trump's presidency has been reflective of lies, dishonesty, and deception since Trump took office. The intervention of the Russian government in the 2016 election has been considered to be the most successful covert government action in modern history and it's effects go far beyond what many imagine. With Trump's narrow victory in some key states Donald Trump may only be the president because of the Russian intervention although there's no way to be sure. Trump has abandoned world leadership by the United States, constantly lies to the American people about his "accomplishments" that are virtually all a result of the Obama administration. Trump has no positive legislative successes and even his appointment of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch is a questionable accomplishment because the GOP Senate had to change the Senate Rules with the "nuclear option" just to confirm his appointment.

    President Obama always worked to make America a better place.

    President Trump is working to destroy America.

    It was easy to live though the Obama years because America's future was not on the line. It's hard to live through the Trump years because every day that passes results in the further deterioration of American and all that America stands for.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Always amazing then they pretend he wasn't a liberal isn't it?
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    How? Be specific when you make things up. How is the right responsible for the racism and hate of the left? Go ahead, I'd love to hear this.

    And Jeremy Joseph Christian was a liberal Bernie Sanders supporter. Can't you even keep up with basic news?
     
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    Wrong! He was just another confused right wing extremist. Bernie preaches tolerance toward Muslims. The guy's underlying drive was that of a hateful Trumpster.
     
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    You just proved you are either ridiculouslyignorant of the Obama administration's record or a hopeless partisan liberal.

    Obama never respected the office. He broke the law letting 5 terrorists go without informing Congress. That is not honorable nor does it show integrity of the man.

    His administration targeted conservative groups with IRS audits to keep them from forming before his re-election. That is not honorable nor does it show integrity of the man.

    He openly supported one side in racially divisive investigations that weren't even close to being over or knowing all the facts and got many of them wrong inflaming racial tension needlessly. That is not honorable nor does it show integrity of the man.

    His administration provided weapons that ended up in the hands of drug cartels that ended in the murder of a state park officer. That is not honorable nor does it show integrity of the man.

    He blamed a video made by a man whom he jailed knowing it was not the cause for the attack on a government building in Bengazi where Americans were killed. That is not honorable nor does it show integrity of the man.


    And there are many many more.


    And I don't believe you are ridiculously ignorant of the Obama administration's record.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that Daily Caller has an agenda that make them unreliable.


    "He wore an American flag cape. He was marching through the crowd yelling the racial epithet “n—-r” and throwing off one-armed Nazi salutes."

    "Christian’s Facebook page is awash in hateful and angry memes and photos. He makes threats of violence against police. He called Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a “TRUE PATRIOT!!!” on April 19, the anniversary of the 1995 domestic terrorist attack.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-tensions-in-portland/?utm_term=.4ce9aca3d82a

    That is not a description of a Bernie supporter. Instead of looking at his words after being arrested, look at his deeds and what he said under normal conditions.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion means nothing. No one is denying he is a Bernie Sanders supporter and every time you deny it you only embarrass yourself.

    LOL Good God they even posted his tweets in that article and you didn't even look

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    Enjoy the party of hate you help nourish.
     
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    Yet kept his hands off the interns?
    That's right. Dems lost the House, The Senate, SCOTUS, and are reduced to only 31% of the State legislatures and 32% of the governorships. And how come the voters keep rejecting you?
    Yeah, calling them names and constantly ridiculing them, that should do it! Trump would like to thank you for your efforts in handing him The Electorate on a silver platter.
    Maybe you can find another Bernie supporter with a rifle?

    The Democrats long descent into madness. As they disintegrated in 1967, did they know that this was where they would end up? 50 years would lead to them being this pathetic mess with no bottom in sight?

    1967 began with such promise. Earl Warren was Chief Justice associates were:
    4 Lefties and 5 moderates.

    LBJ/HHH were Pres/VP
    The 90th Senate began with only 35 Republicans!

    The House was split 43% GOP 57% Democrats.

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    What happened to you guys! It was looking so bright! I mean you guys had your issues but you weren't insane! Now losing election after election while you continue to scream and heap insults and disdain on the American Electorate?

    This is like a bad divorce or somethin'!
     
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    You only look at selected statements. I said he is a confused rightie. He was ACTING as a rightie when he attacked Muslims and his other statements that you ignore proves my statement....

    "He wore an American flag cape. He was marching through the crowd yelling the racial epithet “n—-r” and throwing off one-armed Nazi salutes."

    "Christian’s Facebook page is awash in hateful and angry memes and photos. He makes threats of violence against police. He called Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a “TRUE PATRIOT!!!” on April 19, the anniversary of the 1995 domestic terrorist attack.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-tensions-in-portland/?utm_term=.4ce9aca3d82a

    That is not a description of a Bernie supporter. Instead of looking at his words after being arrested, look at his deeds and what he said under normal conditions. His words are mixed, showing confusion; his deeds are that of an extreme rightie.


    “Christian is a known white supremacist who attended a right-wing "March for Free Speech" on April 29 in Portland”

    “He brought a baseball bat to the march to assault left-wing protestors with, which was later confiscated by police.”

    “Throughout the march, he reportedly shouted racial slurs and ‘Hail Vinland,’ gave the Nazi salute, and raved about being a nihilist.”

    “Christian posted frequently on Facebook, often expressing violently Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, and white supremacist views.”


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    “According to his posts, he was a passionate Bernie Sanders supporter who later supported, but did not vote for, President Trump. He frequently posted violent threats against Hillary Clinton and her supporters.”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/portland-suspect?utm_term=.bykD0bWvo#.bs6ypdV0J
     
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    Perfect example. Post #9:

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    You pretty much entirely destroyed your credibility with this statement, and I nearly quit reading your post....


    And then I got to this :above: and yes, you completely destroyed your credibility. Put down the Obama Kool-Aid... I mean seriously, did you get your reply straight off of a left-wing blog?

    Here, maybe reread guavaball's reply :below:

     
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    That's exactly why the left wing idiots voted for their serial liar Clinton. Obama's entire 8 years was spent ONLY doing things to spite Republicans. It's why I left the 2 parties. If you can't see that, you're part of the problem.
     
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    It's not just Democrats. It's also independents like myself,

    Many of his policy decisions simply and behaviors do not appeal to a majority of Americans as a whole.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    While not a fan of Hillary Clinton this is a purely partisan statement without a foundation in fact.

    As Sect of State Hillary Clinton, obviously in conjunction with President Obama, was instrumental in restoring America's standing after the Bush Administration where international trust in America plunged after the invasion of Iraq. Her personal one-on-one diplomacy with world leaders where she re-enforced the long held values of Americas civil rights, after the Bush administrations use of torture, was significant in making new inroads in countries like Burma. Even years of Republican investigations into Clinton's actions as Sect of State the committees doing the investigations could find no wrong-doing on her part. Bold allegations of wrong-doing were made by Republicans that, in the end, turned out to be nothing but empty allegations. I certainly found her tenure as Sect of State to be far more important and worthy of appreciation than I found of her time in the Senate. It never reached the point where I would have supported her politically but that's based upon policy issues and not on her serving with distinction as the Sect of State.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Let's see.

    We had significant improvements in environmental protection, including the expansion of the protections of our water supply, all based upon science under the Obama Administration

    Over 20 million more Americans had health insurance that provided the basic health care needs they required. Based upon a 2009 study just insuring the 20 million plus Americans prevented about 30,000 from dying because they didn't have insurance that provided for basic health care needs.

    President Obama addressed the crisis of our immigration laws by prioritizing enforcement where those that threatened the public safety were the highest priority for enforcement and recent arrivals were the second highest priority for enforcement. At the same time he also prioritized the "lowest level of enforcement" by creating the DACA waiver for those brought as children to the United States, that were raised as Americans, that hadn't violated any of our laws except their inability to obtain documentation to remain in the US that wasn't their fault. It was the fault of our flawed immigration laws.

    President Obama actively worked though the DOJ to address problems with racial prejudice in law enforcement across the United States.

    President Obama actively worked through the DOJ to protect voting rights for minorities in the United States.

    Upon learning from his Attorney General, Eric Holder, that his position opposing same-sex marriage was unconstitutional (based upon evidence presented in court) President Obama changed his political opinion agreeing with the DOJ that DOMA Section 3 that limited marriage to just a man and a woman and stopped the defense of the unconstitutional provision in the law. His decision was later confirmed by the US Supreme Court.

    President Obama provided world leadership in the Paris Accord to limit green house gas emissions that are responsible for global warming. This support was also of economic importance to the United States that was seeing "green job growth of 18% that would have added over 600,000 good paying jobs to the US in 2017.

    President Obama was involved in the Trans Pacific Partnership that gave the United States both political and economic power in the Pacific region. That trade treaty wasn't perfect but since Trump dropped out of the agreement both the political and economic leadership in the Pacific has been handed over on a silver platter to China.

    President Obama addressed the underfunding by NATO member nations in 2014 and through diplomacy obtained their agreement to increase defense spending in areas critical to NATO.

    Through the United Nations Security Council the Obama administration ended the potential threat of Iran producing a nuclear weapon. While no evidence existed that Iran wanted to produce a nuclear weapon there was always the "possibility" and now that possibility doesn't exist in the immediate future. Iran has remained in full compliance with the agreement it made with the UN Security Council.

    President Obama turned around the approval rating of the president by the American people that had been 34% when President Bush left office to 59% when Obama left office.

    President Obama also restored world confidence in the United State with a 65% approval rating, ranking #1 of all world leaders, during his final year in office (that has plunged to 22% for Trump which is lower than even Vladimir Putin's world approval rating).

    Sorry but anyone supporting Donald Trump, the most unqualified and unfit person to ever be elected president, doesn't have any foundation for any criticism of President Obama.
     
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    Sure.

    She did a great job in the ME.

    Great job in Iraq with the formation and rapid spread of ISIS, great job toppling the government of Libya and the resulting Benghazi attack, great job on the arab spring, and great job with the Syrian civil war.

    Yeah, my comments were partizan and she was the worlds best SoS.

    Get real.

    Oh and great job with the Russians too.

    She did manage to make millions for her "foundation" though. Hows that doing now by the way?
     
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    i hate his guts and hope he chokes on some KFC
     
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    They didn't come up with the idea, they stole it from Russia
     
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    It's not wrong at all.

    He was a left wing Bernie voter, who hated Trump.

    Please get your facts straight, it's too soon to work on revisionist histories.
     
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    wasnt trying to be a stickler, slick, just my view on independents
     
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    yeah, gun confiscation, a muslim.

    the truth, right
     

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