Coldest temperatures in decades in the northeast.

Many research scientists cannot get work unless they conform to current ideology in climate science. In fact many are ridiculed unless they conform.

 

Probably not. Of course, that drought isn't all that local or all that quick - it's been going on for a decade in a wide part of the nation. Still, considered as part of a global trend, it's isolated and not necessarily indicative of anything.

 

Follow the money.

 

And while we're at it, did you know that the sun goes around the earth?

 

So, yes?

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The honda civic money or the fossil fuel money?

 

Do you realize how stupid you sound by now? How can we learn anything without studying it? How can we study it without funding? And THEN you turn around and say the funding for studying is proof of a conspriacy. Heads I win, tails you lose.

You have crawled into a hole and pulled the hole in after you. Meanwhile, people who really wish to understand, are working on it.

 

Drought is very local for California and it appears that ENSO is the culprit. Even then, the Southwest has been drying up long before Europeans set foot on this continent as indicative of the native culture abandoning it for lack of water.

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Stupid comment. Beneath you.

 

Actually there is nothing stupid about studying it. What is wrongheaded is to conflate hypothesis with reality and to extend that to politics.

 

The drought is NOT local. Most of the western states are affected, and have been affected for the past 15 years. Here is whaty it looked lke as of 2013:

 

But you understand, that information doesn't fit his model. In science, the model is adjusted to fit the facts. In politics, the facts are adjusted to fit the model.

 

Actually drought in the Southwest has lasted longer than Europeans have been on the continent. The California drought is driven by ENSO.

When dams were planned for the Colorado river it was not understood that the drying of the Southwest had been going on for quite some time and the plans were thwarted by that drying.

 

And yet you had claimed that it was local. Go figure. You want some maple syrup with that waffle?

 

You don't understand local? You think this applies to the rest of the world?

 

A drought that affects nearly every western state is NOT local, and cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered to be local.

 

"Local" is a relative term. There's an old saying in the newspaper biz that 10,000 deaths in Asia equals 100 deaths in Europe equals 10 deaths in West Virginia equals one death next door, in terms of column inches. To Americans, half the land area of the nation isn't local, it's regional. To an Australian looking at a globe, the US is this little area in the other hemisphere, and it's only half of that, it's pretty local. The contiguous United States is about 1.6% of the area of the globe. So I'd say 0.8% of the planet's total surface area is pretty local.

 

You can try to spin this any way you choose, but a drought that affects half of the continent is not a local phenomenon. End of story.

 

Twice in a row now, cold cold cold. I look at the expensive solar farms everywhere while driving and no one bothers to remove snow off the panels for the fear of catching cold.

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2015/oounitedstates.a2015050.jpg

 

(*)(*)(*)(*), cold twice?! that's definitely the end of global climate change.

 

great so you can change the global climate without my money. Cant wait to hear your plan on that. Why are you using electricity if you are so correct?

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no the climate has always changed just like when you guys used to cry global warming but then changed it to climate change.

 

Don't forget the buttheads in Sacramento cutting off delta water to the central valley so they can seize the farmland cheap for the Brown Streak train. If the train's never built, they turn the water back on and sell the land at a huge profit.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*) this is so delusional. You do know taxpayers subsidize the fossil fuel industry right? So I have no idea what ridiculous point you're trying to make.

Global warming is just one factor of change. There is also ocean acidification, sea level rise, melting glaciers, desertification, ect.

 

Well then, extreme cold that affects most every eastern State is NOT local.

 

No one has said that it is.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html

Anthropogenic maybe? Anthropomorphic is ironically more accurate... but I digress. The consensus is that man is the LARGEST external forcing mechanism responsible for the irreversible problem of global warming... not the only factor. You will need to quote someone saying what you are asking for proof of.

http://www.nap.edu/catalog/12782/advancing-the-science-of-climate-change

Supposed to is a strange way of putting it. Would have without those pesky humans is more like it.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/world-climate-change/index.html

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Seems like projection.

 

Ooooh - that is a terrific idea. Let us DO follow the money, where it comes from and where it goes (and to whom):

The bought and paid for corporate shills essentially learned the game from those who preceded them - most notably, tobacco companies who hired people with credentials (and paid them big bucks) to give the appearance of a scientific debate that use of tobacco was dangerous. And they did it for years. We know about Willie only because the Smithsonian is a government organization and had to release documents under FOIA. I would also imagine most of the other prominent deniers obtain similar funding, though it's doubtful that the sources are as clear as this one.

Sorry, boys and girls, denialism is a bought and paid for outright fraud with even less credibility than Fox News.