Colin Powell's New Book: War With Iraq Never Debated

No, I vote for Vietnam. Far worse. Many more casualties.

 

Well, Maybe Obama was pissed he gave Chrysler to Kaddafi??

So he decided to kill everyone...

 

If you check Goggle, you'll see that almost all of Libya's oil went to Europe, not the USA

 

Khadafi bought into Chrysler in 2006.....

 

And oil is fungible.............

US companies also work all over the world and sell oil all over the world.

 

CBS News says your not telling the truth...

lets take a look...

[video=youtube;Y1iHkY4dWh0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1iHkY4dWh0[/video]

 

blah blah blah...

Obama invaded for oil, not oil for us, but oil for europe....

Obama lied when he claimed he invaded an african country for humanitarian reasons. If he was telling the truth, he would have invaded syria.

It might actually help Obama get reelected if he admitted he killed muslims to make gas cheaper.

 

The US and NATO didn't invade Libya....

 

Very true. But most of the oil from Libya went to Europe. I hope this crap about Bush knowing that there was no WMD in Iraq and that he attacked them anyway is cleared up once and for all. It's been investigated to death.

 

Yeah they did. What are you smoking?

 

I am confused.. Are you under the impression that US oil companies produce oil overseas and ship it to the US?

US oil companies overseas are generally jobbers who are working on revenue share and they sell oil to anyone who is buying.

 

I am saying the war with Libya was to help out Europe. Which is ok. NATO helped us with Afghanistan.

 

I agree.. and it also helped protect Hess and Marathon's assets.

Khadafi was always a loose cannon.. He had only a year earlier tried to assassinate the Saudi King.

More importantly, the Libyan people were sick to death of his lunacy.

 

The "anyone who is buying" includes the USA in a major way. They don't NOT SHIP oil; to the USA, they ship it here and everywhere customers are buying. THAT IS what corporations DO, that is what they are supposed to do.

 

EXACTLY.. Try reading the thread, Dan.

 

They said yesterday on ABC news, we now export more oil than we import. How much sense does that make?

 

I think you misunderstood..

We don't export oil.. we export refined product like gasoline and jet fuel because it brings more profit in foreign markets than it does in the US.

 

The U.S. Is Now EXPORTING Refined Petroleum Products, But the Oil Companies Are Gaming the System By Switching To a Different Benchmark to Keep U.S. Fuel Prices HIGH … And the Keystone Pipeline Will Create Even HIGHER U.S. Prices

Posted on May 10, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog



Big Oil Is Gaming the System to Keep Domestic U.S. Prices High

Leah McGrath Goodman – who has written for the Financial Times, Barron’s, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and Fortune – notes that the U.S. is now an exporter of refined petroleum products, but that Americans aren’t getting reduced prices because the oil companies are now pricing the fuel according to European metrics:


The U.S. is now selling more petroleum products than it is buying for the first time in more than six decades. Yet Americans are paying around $4 or more for a gallon of gas, even as demand slumps to historic lows. What gives?

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Americans have been told for years that if only we drilled more oil, we would see a drop in gasoline prices.

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But more drilling is happening now, and prices are still going up. That’s because Wall Street has changed the formula for pricing gasoline.

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Until this time last year, gas prices hinged on the price of U.S. crude oil, set daily in a small town in Cushing, Oklahoma – the largest oil-storage hub in the country. Today, gasoline prices instead track the price of a type of oil found in the North Sea called Brent crude. And Brent crude, it so happens, trades at a premium to U.S. oil by around $20 a barrel.

 

It could all be refined, it doesn't really say except oil products. But ABC did say oil.

 

Its not big oil... Its TransCanada... taking advantage of NAFTA and the Free Trade Zone complex in Texas.

Cushing Ok doesn't set oil prices...

Americans have been TOLD a ot of things by politicians who don't know anything about the oil business.

The US has the highest lift costs in the world.. and if the PPB goes down too much domestic production will collapse (likewise Canadian poduction)

Exporting refined product is actually a good thing in terms of refinery jobs and the national deficit... and this is the first time in 40 years we have been exporting refined product..

 

If ABC said OIL... they screwed up.

 

I'm beginning to agree with you on this. But if we refine so much, our prices should be lower.

 

Watch the OPEC price point for their basket of crude oil.. Brent is ALWAYS higher.

Then look at profit margin stability for big oil.. it has remained steady at between 6 and 8 percent for decades.

The only way gas at the pump will go back to $2.50 a gallon is if there is a world wide economic collapse.. with the ppb falling to 50-60 dollars a barrel.

THAT would completely shut down domestic and Canadian oil production.. Like the crisis in Texas in 1986.

 

Debate is not required, but as we see in the video, it was discussed. Was President GW Bush or any president, the Commander in Chief? He made a decision as Commander in Chief. Remember why we got involved in the first place. Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and claimed it as part of Iraq. The mistake of President HW Bush Sr. was to let Saddam Hussein go. Saddam Hussein was quickly becoming the leader of the Middle East, one who confronted the west. He was sounding the war drums long before President GW Bush Sr. decided first decided to attack in 1990.

Just because there were no MWD's found does not mean there were none. The international inspectors took years to do their job to do their job of looking for MWDs. Saddam would let them look and then kick them out periodically and then let them look again. There would be many places to hide the MWDs. They could even have been shipped to other countries to prevent the inspectors from finding them. Saddam Hussein was reported to have used MWDs against his own people. Are we now accepting that when the inspectors came, he no longer had them? He could have easily shipped them out while he banned the inspectors.

 

This could be true. I didn't mention it as there is no proof they actually did move WMD out of the country. But one inspector said that a large convoy was seen on over head satellites heading for Syria. He said informers told him that border guards were changed right before the convoy arrived at the border. He also reported that in interviews, almost all Iraqi commanders believed Iraq had WMD, not in their possession, but believed others had them and were shocked when told by Saddam they didn't.

It wouldn't be hard to hide WMD in a desert country like Iraq. I mean inspectors combed the country and found no modern WMD although they did find many older ones and it wasn't until after the invasion the troops found over 30 fighter aircraft buried under the desert.





Iraqi aircraft 'buried in desert'

The planes might never fly again

US forces in Iraq have discovered dozens of Iraqi fighter aircraft buried in the desert, US officials have said.
A Pentagon official told the Associated Press news agency that several MiG-25s and Su-25 attack planes were found hidden at al-Taqqadum air base west of Baghdad.

The planes were unearthed by teams hunting for alleged weapons of mass destruction.

The discovery comes as America's weapons inspector in Iraq say they are making solid progress in the search for banned weapons the US says Saddam Hussein was hiding.

Poking out of sand

"Our guys have found 30-something brand new aircraft buried in the sand to deny us access to them," said Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Republican Porter Goss.

"These are craft we didn't know about," he said.

At least one of the MiGs was found with its tail fins poking out of the sand, the agency quoted the Pentagon official as saying.

It said many of the planes were buried with little protection and might never fly again