Collectivism is Inherently Selfish

Actually, no, I haven't read any of Obama's books. How many have you read?

 

I did not complete any of them. I started Dreams from my Father. I have read excerpts from his other trash. I started listening to Dreams again. It made me ill to listen to him so I stopped.

He will do far more damage in the coming years. I hope we survive it but I do not think we will.

 

It must be very distressing to believe as you do. But I have seen a great many catastrophies, political and other, predicted over my life, and none of them have come to pass

 

Only the right is willing to soothsay doomsdays for free instead of burdening us with doomsday tax rates so we know they are serious.

 

Actually, the opposite is true.
I am an American Conservative.
I will fight to retake the Republican party.
I will fight to return this nation to a republican form of government that is governed with the consent of the governed.
I will fight to return the government to a position of trust as a limited partner in my liberty.
I Am an American Conservative.

I recognize the growing tyranny from the Left mostly but fueled by traitors in the Republican party.
I will support any conservative that challenges that lying traitor John McCain in a primary.
I will support any conservative that challenges that lying traitor Lindsey Graham in a primary.
I will support any conservative that challenges any lying traitor in the establishment Republican party.

 

This is my PC. There are many like it but this one is mine.....

 

You can always count on my support if you need help trying to convince the republicans to have enough Faith to bear true witness to their own doctrine and fixing that Standard for the Union.

 

That makes no sense to me at all. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

It has to do with market based metrics in our objective and market based reality under any form of Capitalism with our Institution of money based markets.

 

I have stopped supporting the national republican party. I will support only those candidates I can directly talk to. I will support them with my time and with my money. We may lose a generation at the national level. But we must build up a pool of talented political leaders who revere the Constitution. Or else the nation is lost.

I will support Mark Levin's effort to pressure the states to propose amendments to the Constitution to reverse the enormous damage the socialists in both parties have done to this nation over the last 100 years.

I will revile men like the traitorous John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

The time for talking is past. It is time to fight.

 

I am not sure what you mean; our federal Congress is delegated the power to Tax, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

 

Hang on. Who do you want to kill now?

Me?

 

I am going for progressivism. This fight should have been fought nearly a hundred years ago. For those of us who love the Constitution and our country today is a good day to begin the fight to take it back from the liberals, the progressives, the socialists.

 

I understand all that, but you''re dodging my question, actually. You're rhetoric sounds like you're advocating political violence, which, make no mistake about it, means political killing. Are you advocating that, or not?

 

I understand your need for killing. If we could kill a handful of people and return the nation to a law-abiding, Constitutionally bound environment I might advocate it. But the roots of progressivism run deep and it will take years to undo the damage and kill the beast.

I suppose if you view the surgeon's knife as violence then yes, what I advocate will be violent.

It begins at the grass roots level. We must rebuild the Republican party with conservatives who know, understand, and revere the Constitution. We must shun the socialists in both parties. That means all democrats and all establishment Republicans. The fight will be long and hard but I am up for it. Are you?

 

This informs me that you neither understood socialism or party politics. Hope you're good with the maracas

 

Am i up to it? Looks like you intend to force me to be. I have no intention of initiating force.

Is the phrase "I understand your need for killing" intended as a variation on the ol' saying that 'so and so needed killing?'

Political murder is political murder. You can't pretty it up by using a 'surgical' metaphor. What you're actually advocating is Brownshirt tactics. I regard even the 'play' with such an idea on the Interweb to be a evil subversion of American values. Very ironic the way you talk of killing to preserve the Constitution.

 

English is not your primary language is it?

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You again? I am done with you. Our conversations neither satisfy nor educate. You don't know what you are talking about and I predict you never will. Europe is so steeped in socialism that it is unlikely to ever recover.

 

It absolutely is, and you know it. . If you claim I've misunderstood something, support the claim.

I accuse you of evil subversion of American values, in advocating political murder. Is the above contentless jibe going to be your only response?

 

Perhaps you should brush up. Still, it is the responsibility of the one with the message to ensure it is understood.

Didn't you ask who I intend to kill now? This implies that you have a very weak understanding of metaphor. I accept that.

Do you believe all fights involve violence? I offer the surgeon's scalpel as a metaphor for cutting the diseased parts out of the Republican party. Did you miss the part where I mentioned that the fight is against Progressivism, socialism, liberalism...yeah. You missed that part. How does one kill an idea? Doesn't it require education?

I understand your need for killing...I suppose I could rephrase that to I understand your desire for bloodshed. Some people need to see the broken bodies to measure progress. I will measure progress as we replace establishment republicans with conservatives. I am proposing nothing less than to use the same tactics used for nearly one hundred years by liberty's enemies. We will need to be deliberate, patient, long suffering, unwilling to accept setbacks and relentless in pursuing every opportunity to advance our conservative agenda.

I recommend you brush up on English if it is your primary language (or even if it is not).

 

Again with the ignorance! Europe follows liberal democratic or social democratic capitalism

 

OK, appreciate the continued dialog. I have been harsh with you, but I do indeed think your rhetoric is dangerous.

If your initial "The time for talking is past. It is time to fight," was metaphor, you had plenty of chances to explain that. But when I asked you "Are you advocating poltical violence, or not," your response was as follows:

So first you say you 'might' advocate killing a handful of persons. Then you explain the problem is very bad, obviously implyig that more than a handful will have to be killed, to "kill the beast."

My 'weak' understanding of metaphor indicates you said "yes" to political violence, and attempted to justify it with your medical metaphor. Unfortunately, metaphors are at best arguments by analogy, they aren't actually evidence, they prove nothing, and they justify nothing.

Bottom line is you indeed said "yes" to political violence, a stance I continue to denounce. Claiming at this point that it was 'just metaphor' doesn't fly. Claiming I want violence flies in the face of my genuine shock that you have been advocating it. I'm glad you're climbing down a bit now, but your claim that I misunderstood and my reaction was not justified does not correspond with your earlier comments.

 

I have now been clear with you. Any further misunderstanding on your part remains your problem. The fight will go on whether you understand it or not.

 

I hope I have helped you remember that advocating political violence is a serious matter, completely unacceptable either legally or morally.

 

Ironic given that leftist are typically the ones who resort to violence.