Congress releases secret '28 pages' on alleged Saudi 9/11 ties

I'm happy for you. And how does that change the fact that the Bush administration obstructed justice?

The facts say otherwise.

Whether that's true or not, it doesn't change the facts either.

You often post a lot of opinions that are either contrary to the facts or irrelevant to the crux of the issue being discussed but you never support your opinions with anything.

 

Long experience with the Saudis. The Saudis backed the US in our proxy war in Afghanistan largely because they hate Communism.. But they declared Al Qaeda a terrorist organization in 1994 and revoked Osama Bin Laden's citizenship the same year. Where are these "facts" that Bush was involved with the Bin Ladens?

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Currently Americans have been put on alert by the US Embassy in Jeddah over the threat of more ISIS attacks in the Kingdom.

 

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A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998.

Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family.

After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

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Nowhere if you don't bother to click on the link(s) I provided.

 

Lets see some of those facts.

 

See post prior to yours or better yet don't bother, the Saudis are your friends, you wouldn't want to upset that relationship.

 

You provided a link to a google search of "About 1,000,000 results". Why dont you narrow that down to your one best source.

It is alleged that money invested by James Bath into Harken energy, was actually money invested on behalf of Salem Bin Laden. James Bath denies this and there is nothing to indicate Bush was aware of this which Mr Bath denies. That's not a relationship.

 

I don't even like the Saudis and the only thing to like about the Saudi government is that it is better than the most likely alternative. Something along the lines of ISIS.

 

Why don't you? It's not my job to do the research for you. When I did the research it was pretty clear to me that the Bush family was in bed with them for many years. The Saudi royal family/government are not an innocent bunch, IMO they are a bunch of barbarians. They may not be your enemy and that's ok with me but that doesn't change what they really are.

 

Look at your sources.. Bush had no business ties with the Bin Laden Group, but your sources speculate.. and most Americans like you don't know any better.

 

You don't know anyone in the Saudi government.. I do.. and they are an amazing bunch. They are dedicated to the social and financial success and future of their people.. They are also well educated, serious and experienced in governance. By the time a man works his way up to be king or crown prince, he has 50 years experience in every ministry.

 

I did read the sources and there is nothing speculatory about the Bush family's business ties with the Saudi royal family and the Bin Laden family.

Most people, American or not, are just like you, you are not any different despite your delusions of grandeur.

 

Bush met a couple of Bin Ladens twice briefly.

You choose to believe speculators or reporters who MAY have spent a 3 day week-end in the Kingdom and dismiss the thousands of Americans who have lived there 20-30 years... and dismiss those Americans who have been working in the Kingdom for 3 generations.

 

So you're saying these "dedicated and well educated" people in the Saudi government don't have laws beheading, amputating and lashing people in public? That they don't treat women as chattel and have demeaning separate laws for women? That their "legal" and societal system is not based on religious doctrine? That their system of government is "democratic"? That their extreme censorship is not stifling to freedom? King or prince??? Who are you kidding? They are BARBARIANS locked in an ancient feudalistic society where everyone is a SUBJECT of the King.

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What makes sense and you're not it.

 

Capital punishment is capital punishment.. Lashings are not a beating.. they are public humiliation and women have a lot of power and money in Arabia.. Don't mistake a culture of public modesty with "chattel".

 

Are you kidding? Even the western media has written of the various business connections between Bush and bin Laden. I think even the Carlyle Group shows that business connection. There have been pictures published of Bush and bin Laden holding hands and kissing.

Where ya been?

 

It is inhuman no matter how it's done. And it is even more perverse and barbaric when it is a public beheading made into a spectacle. Short of capital punishment is the public severing of limbs, another form of "punishment". And all this is meted out by kangaroo courts where due process is non-existent.

What are they then? Since when does a civilized society publicly lash people?

They are a barbaric form of punishment that have no place in a civilized society.

Very few do, the rest are tools to be used for the pleasure of Saudi men. The vast majority of women have little or no say in the Saudi culture. And even when they do, they are generally overruled by Saudi men.

Most Saudi women are chattel and enforced "public modesty" as you would call it is demeaning/degrading. Not to mention failure for women to conduct themselves within the extremely rigid rules they must obey carries extreme forms of punishment. You have been indoctrinated into this type of barbaric culture so I understand your mentality.

 

You democrats crack me up. Youll believe anything your told if it fits with what you SOOOOOO desperately want to believe. There is no such picture

 

I already did and refuted the link given top billing by google, and isn't it revealing that you have nothing to respond with

 

If the Saudi government was involved in the 9-11 attack then Congress should declare war on Saudi Arabia as the attack was far worse than Pearl Harbor because the attack on Pearl Harbor was against military targets.

 

And this is sooooo new?

Who was again leader of Al Qaida and came from where ... and who's family lives still there and is major important part of society around Royal Family?

The issue has a 2inch thick layer of dust on it, such old and known it is. Saudi Arabia = major important regional "ally" has the wild card of US politics and foreign affairs. Did anyone in the USA complain when people were in all public stoned, got hands cut off, were hanged or whipped to death during the last decades in Saudi Arabia? Was there any report about in the US media?
Nothing ... but attention if others like Iran did the same! Then they were blamed in all channels as beasts and monsters...

Good Morning America! Good to see that you are slowly waking up for some realities which the rest of the world still knows!

 

There is NO stoning in Saudi Arabia.. There is capital punishment.. beheading.

The "whippings" are not a deadly beating.. They are public humiliation with a protocol to limit range of motion.

The Bin Laden Group are nothing like their black sheep brother who had his Saudi citizenship revoked in 1994 at the same time AQ was designated a terrorist group by the SAG. OBL came under the influence of Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qubt which are both banned in Arabia.

Iran seeks a foothold on the Arabian peninsula to control not only the Straits of Hormuz but the Bab al Mandab on the Red Sea as well. .. and Iran has been dogging Saudi Arabia since I was a girl.

They also fund Hezbollah and the al Houthis in Yemen.

So.. no.. Saudi Arabia is nothing like Iran. They have been stable and making steady progress since the 1930s and are our oldest and most loyal allies in the region.

The more you know about Saudi Arabia, its people, leadership and history... the less likely it is that you would make such outrageous claims.

 

Oh … what a difference. I have other information’s and we all know cases when a women was raped and should be jailed for it, because her own mistake?
Of course nothing which shall upset US public opinions… everything is fine of course in Saudi Arabia and they are full human country for sure.

They are nothing like their brother … really? Investigate again and go here a step outside casual BS media.

Wow … and who supported again the brutal Shah regime aside the USA please?
Is there any mandate for SA to fight anyone in Yemen?
You know that this is the issue of dispute between Sunni and Shiite in general and since decades…

Who supported again the PLO and their worst sub’s which was not far ago rated same worse as ISIS of their days?

And having the cruel same law which so many US Americans hate in matter of Islam is put aside as usual.

 

The woman went out into the desert with a group of men... She contributed to her rape... not by US standards of course, but according to Saudi law.

You don't know any Bin Ladens and have never set foot in Arabia.. Shia in Arabia are quite successful in the oil business and as merchant class in the Eastern province and particularly in Qatif and Hofuf.

I don't know what you are talking about with your reference to the PLO... The Saudi Peace Initiative of 2002 guaranteed Israel's security as well as diplomatic and trade relations... and all 22 Arab states signed on.

ISIS is the enemy of Saudi Arabia and have carried out 29 attacks in the kingdom in the past 2 years..

Saudi Arabia has been very generous to Yemen for the past 40 years building schools, universities, even a hotel and hospitality college, hospitals and clinics.. providing food, gasoline and medicine..

The Saudis have also sheltered a million Yemeni refugees.

In 2001 they built a high tech security barrier in the mountains of Asir to keep suicide bombers from Yemen out of Arabia.. and they moved thousands of Saudis 20 miles back from the Yemen border.

I lived in KSA for nearly two decades and have been back to visit as often as possible.

You clearly don't know anything at all about Saudi Arabia.

 

Sorry, have to swing by to remove the stupid...