Conservatives clueless about the Constitution

the supreme court is made up of people and therefore has just as much potential corruption/ignorance as any branch of society. to claim that the bill is constitutional simply because it won a 5-4 vote among HUMANS is ridiculous.

the founding fathers envisioned freedom as the right for citizens to mind their own business and for government to stay out of their business. taxation without representation is rampant in the U.S. today, and is one of the reasons why we fought for our independence.

with this new legislation, we might as well give this country back to England, seeing as we clearly prefer collectivist totalitarianism over free markets and free society.

don't waste your time trying to deceive yourself into believing that any part of the constitution actually supports obamacare. instead, try to find proof to justify your claim.

chief justice roberts' statement actually clearly said that ordering people do buy a product is not allowed by the constitution, it is only by a loophole that they are allowed to accomplish that through taxation for those who opt-out, basically achieving the same goal, by a means that the founders obviously didnt have enough foresight to ban when they wrote the original document

 

LOL What were the founding fathers then?!

 

Funny Jefferson was one of the biggest contributor of writing up and adding to the Constitution.

Nobody? Liberals have constantly said the Second Amendment doesn't give the average citizen the right to own guns.

He was referring to separation as to interference with each other. We have never had separation, even when he was in office. There is nothing in the First that even hints of separation.

It seems like it's only Liberals trying to stop it when they don't agree with it. I don't know of any Liberal radio or television stations that has had their sponsors threatened unless they quit sponsoring their Liberal commentators as Libs have done with Conservative stations.

 

This lecturing about the founding fathers is the most empty argument I hear. The Founding Fathers had bitter debates over what authority the constitution granted while they were all still alive, and guess what in nearly every instance they went with the broader more... liberal interpretation of their authority.

 

Jefferson was in Europe during the constitutional convention, and they didn't hold off writing it for 6 months so he could add to it. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

And? What's your point?

I've never heard that.

So does everyone else who talks about SoCaS.

And that's either extreme ignorance or a bold faced lie.

I'm sure it does to you, but that doesn't mean it actually happens that way. Obviously, being a conservative, you WON'T notice conservative suppression of someone else's free speech, and vice versa.

Oh please. It happens constantly.

 

Very true. But Jefferson gave his views on the makeup of the Constitution before and even after he left for France. He was in contact with the planners of the Constitution and even advised them that if it were to pass, it needed to spell out the rights of the people. I remembering reading about that years ago.

While abroad, Jefferson corresponded with members of the Constitutional Convention, particularly his close associate from Virginia, James Madison. He agreed to support the Constitution, and the strong federal government it created. Jefferson's support however, hinged upon on the condition that Madison add a Bill of Rights to the document in the form of ten amendments. The rights that Jefferson insisted upon—among them freedom of speech, assembly, and practice of religion—have become fundamental and synonymous with American life ever since.


http://www.indianchild.com/thomas_jefferson.htm

 

It seems like it's only Liberals trying to stop it when they don't agree with it.
I'm sure it does to you, but that doesn't mean it actually happens that way. Obviously, being a conservative, you WON'T notice conservative suppression of someone else's free speech, and vice versa.

I don't know of any Liberal radio or television stations that has had their sponsors threatened unless they quit sponsoring their Liberal commentators as Libs have done with Conservative stations.

www.americanthinker.com/blog/.../more_boycott_boomeranging.ht...


Mar 11, 2012 – The liberals' threatened boycotting of Rush Limbaugh advertisers continues to boomerang back and smack 'em in the mouth. First we had word ...


98 Advertisers Pull Ads from Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Rush ...

www.sodahead.com/united.../98...hannity.../question-2509871/


Mar 10, 2012 – More than 350 different advertisers sponsor the programs and services ... Dept under Obamas order has threatened to sue, what happened to free speech ? ... liberal and conservative, and they each spin the issues their way.


Now maybe you can show me where Conservatives have threatened sponsors of Liberal radio or television.

 

The American Thinker is not a respectable source.

That said, look up NOM's boycott of Starbucks, and the entire existence of One Million Moms is to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about liberal organizations. Their most recent (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing is about the comic company giants, DC (owned by Warner Brothers) and Marvel (owned by Disney).

 

If you don't know ofany Liberals saying Americans don't have the right to own guns, let me refresh you with a high ranking one.



Eric Holder Racist Anti-Gun 1995 Rant ... - Guns for Sale GunsAmerica



www.gunsamerica.com/.../eric-holder-racist-anti-gun-rant-victimizes-...


Mar 25, 2012 – Doesn't Eric Holder understand that this was the intent of the 2nd Amendment? ... of any color, to give up their 2nd Amendment right is just creating more victims. ... We all deserve the opportunity to protect our own lives and the lives of our ... People say “imagine a world without guns” and I do so substituting...



The Right to Bear Arms Has Nothing to Do With Wearing a Short ...


realstorypublishing.com/.../the-right-to-bear-arms-has-nothing-to-do-...


May 8, 2012 – Attorney General Eric Holder has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. ... voted (yes, I think the Second Amendment gives us the right to own guns. ... Of the 10752497 people who voted, 97% voted “yes”, 2% voted “no”, ...

 

There are several more on the Internet that will say the same thing. I just want you to show me one Liberal radio or television station where Conservatives have threatened the sponsors to quit advertising with them because of their political views as I have shown you. As for these moms and these comic books, show me what they were protesting. It might not be anything political.

 

I know Liberals like to think Conservatives are clueless about everything, but that just isn't so.

 

Okay. That's one. And I don't like him.

 

Well, OMM protests a variety of things, most of then political, but this one in particular is DC's revamping of Alan Scott (the original Green Lantern) as a gay man and Marvel finally getting around to the marriage of Northstar and his long-time boyfriend, Kyle.

 

And conservatives think a lot of things about liberals that aren't true.

 

Well I tend to agree that teaching children about gays in their comic books isn't quite cricket. I'm sure Liberals see no problem with it. I mean they are now teaching them about sex already when most don't even know there is a difference between male and female sex organs.


Sex Ed for Kindergarteners 'Right Thing to Do,' Says Obama - ABC ...





abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/07/sex-ed-for-kind/

Jul 18, 2007 – Speaking to a young woman who asked a question about sex education, Obama said, ... Should we teach sex education to children who cannot walk or talk? ... Just one more reason not to send your kids to public schools.

 

*sigh* "This guy is gay" is not the same as teaching kids about being gay.

 

It is when your putting it in their comic books. My God, isn't anything off limits to Liberals besides religion?

 

Marvel and DC have black characters and Muslim characters. Does the existence of The Falcon teach kids about being black? Does having Dust on the X-Men teach kids Islam?

Is anything off limits to conservative suppression?

 

I think kids know there are people of different color. They see that every time they go out. There is no problem with showing that. But your talking of showing their hero as being gay and marrying another man. That's something they might not hear about for years. Why push it on them now? Same with sex education. They don't even know the meaning of the word at 3-4-5 years old. Let them be kids for a few years before throwing all this crap on them. Why is it Liberals think they have to control every facit of people's lives and do it at any age. I can't believe you can go along with all this crap.

 

I've yet to meet a kid that would be old enough to read those comics who didn't already know about same-sex marriage.

Who is talking about sex-ed? You brought it up out of the blue.

Excuse me? It's YOU who is talking about controlling people's lives, not me.

 

Yes and I showed you how young these kids are that they want to teach sex education to. Even before kindergarten.

That's because Obama is doing everything he can to control our lives. They now tell parents what kind of lunch school kids can take to school with them. They want to tell you how much pop you can drink at a time. They tell you where you can go to school, what fast food restaurants can give kids in their Happy Meals. They make you buy insurance even if you don't want it. They want to tax all sugary drinks, They want to lock you up for spanking your child, etc, etc. They want to control all facets of your life.

 

Stop being so overly dramatic.

 

Nothing is "Constitutional", it just fails to be ruled unconstitutional. Which is what happened with Obamacare, the judges agreed that it did not violate the Constitution. If something could be ruled to be Constitutional, that means that no Supreme Court in the future could ever throw it out.

Goes to show how much you know about the Constitution. I disagree with your opinion that Obamacare is not unconstitutional.

 

LMAO!