Conservatives give more to chariety then "progressives".

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  1. Walter Powers

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    I came across an interesting article that examines the relationship between political viewpoints and charitable donations.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

    Here's some facts to ponder:

    So why are the same "progressives" who are for forcibly taking peoples money and redistributing it donating so much less voluntarily? The hypocrisy here is astounding.
     
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    Like I've always said, Progressives are only generous with other people's money.
     
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    This one gets recyled every once in a while.

    The main difference seems to be money that goes to churches and evangelical organizations.

    Liberals are often more secular. My wife and I do a lot of volunteer work, and I write checks too. But we don't spend our money at church.

    The challenge for conservatives, is that if my supposition is correct, they have no idea where the money goes. Evengelicals and televangalists are notorious for pocketing much of the money they take in.Several have been the focus of major financial scandals, and many others have been investigated.

    In addition, there seems to be a whole industry of people who prey on the good intentions of ordinary people for their own gain. The televangelical model made its way into politics in the last decade.

    Ralph Reed raised millions off of his evangelical followers and gave much of it to casino lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

    We had the scandal involving Oliver North and Sham Hammity, who were running a front group raising money for Iraq war vets. But only about 5% of the money ever reached a vet.

    A couple of tea party groups have also used this model, notably TeaParty.Net and Rove's Crossroads GPS.

    I guess if I had to describe the major difference, I'd say that liberals would rather see the government take care of the needy on an equal and publically accountable basis. I think they'd be undoubtedly better off if I gave my $100 that way than if I gave it to a guy in a $5000 suit on the TV.
     
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    I believe it.

    I think though that if the conservatives were divided between the middle class and the upper you would see a similar trait. Middle class earners almost always give a higher percentage of their incomes to charity.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we progressives have no money to give because you on the conservative right over charged and under paid us for decades
     
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    You need to ask? It's THEIR money. They're only charitable with other people's money. Just like they think it's okay to raise the bill of 80% of Americans to pay for the other 20%'s health insurance.
     
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    Well, whomever takes the most, certainly SHOULD give the most. Usually, with 'conservatives', they will cite the very wealthy as having 'given' so much to whomever. They like to use numbers (because it sounds more impressive than the percentage of their wealth). When discussing their actual wealthy, in real numbers, they tend to want to stick with general percentages and 'creative' balance sheets. Point being, they don't really want anyone to know how much they're actually taking from society so, they pretend they give a lot using numbers, excluding their own ACTUAL numbers.
    Summarily, if they say they are 'giving' a million dollars annually to charity, they want you to focus on that, rather than the hundreds of billions they ACTUALLY rape from society. It's all smoke and mirrors.
     
  8. Walter Powers

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    Is this a joke? As the article says, liberals make 6% more then conservatives.
     
  9. Walter Powers

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    Sure, that happens in some cases. But regardless, conservatives give more. Unless somehow you have data that supports that this charity fraud is so widespread, and so much more widespread then secular organizations, that it discounts this gigantic gap is giving, conservatives are giving more. That's the bottom line.

    It's actually kind of pathetic for a progressive to be complaining about fraud in charities. And what's they're alternative? Government!

    Let me be clear: I'm not attacking YOUR character. I'm talking about giving in general.
     
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    <Mod Edit-Rule 2>

    What you said here is off topic and ridiculous. As mentioned in the article I cited, conservatives make less then liberals, so if you really think that the wealthy are stealing all our money and responsible for the world's problems, you should be mad at the limousine liberals.

    Do you have some data that goes contrary to RealClearPolitics? Because according to them, conservatives give more. A LOT more. Not just in money, but also in blood and time. Tell me, how did us conservatives take people's blood away from them, and have a duty to give it back?

    Unless you can support your claims with data, you don't have an argument. You can't just challenge mine with out any substance. Technically it is against to the site rules to throw in uncited challenges like this, but I'm not going to pursue any action because it would be against my principles to do that.
     
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    Haha, if I didn't know a priest who drives around in a Mercedes from church contributions maybe that would have more meaning. I'm not a progressive. Just sayin'. :grin:
     
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    didn't know that you consider yourself to be a "Progressive".

    @Channe
     
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    Sooo...you don't even understand what an average is? You think it means that every single conservative donates more than every single progressive?

    You're living up to your reputation, american.

    Personally, and I realize this will be beyond your comprehension, I care about that everyone should be allowed to live dignified and fulfilling lives, rather than about bragging about how good of a person I am because of how much I donate.
     
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    Well, the republicans did pull off invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, killing tens of thousands, maiming thousands more, and completely destroying the lives of millions.

    Maybe you ought to clean that one up before you start bragging about how much rich conservatives pretend to donate to charity for tax purposes.
     
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    Well, liberals believe the Gubmint works best for taking care of those in need, while conservative minded folks see nothing but headaches regarding Gubmint handeling of the issue, & go a more direct route, with less red tape.
     
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    Oh, I did - back when progressives were basically liberals. I'm a true progressive - which is why I'm for gay marriage, I believe women should have a right to work, I believe the US overplays its hand in other nations' business. I also believe in full racial equality where we don't judge people on the race or ethnicity.

    The problem is, I realized soon the progressives were wolves in sheep clothing; before the waters of gay marriage had cooled they pushed transgender rights, forcing women to use bathrooms with mentally ill men.

    They backed a racist group like BLM which is the black's KKK. They also backed 3rd wave feminism which is the most sexist ideology.

    The truth is, true progressives like me have more in common with Trump than we do the likes of anti-FA or BLM or what the progressive left has turned into.
     
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    I imagine the numbers flip substantially when you account for how much conservatives waste on spurious "religious" charities.
     

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