consumer spending vs our Lib/National government

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Please explain...
    Reg.
     
  2. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    And that is the concern of all. The debate we have is NOT that people simply oppose each other for the sake of it, it is how do nations proceed for the better of their nation.


    The problem in Australia, as I see it, people are aligning their policy to other nations to look like they are acting in such measures while ignoring the particular issues in their own nation. Ergo, they want others to act without impact on them. The disingenuous statistical manipulation to attempt to show stances only go to tainting the issue.

    You look to other nations on economic measures, business measure and consider it as example of what Australia can emulate. You ignore the outside issues that hamper the competition to make a point that just does not exist. I condemn governments for their attempt to hide the truth of how impacts of policy occur. And I refer to milk, an industry completely destroyed by government policy from these clowns (all of them) sitting in parliament house trying to pretend they are considering the rural sector.
    You often hear me talk about corporate welfare and the dairy industry in Australia is the result of such poor policy to simply bolster the figures to make Australia competitive with the rest of the world. By subsidising exports to bring down the price of product (up to 60% of the price) while holding no tariffs on the import of the same product. This finds people selling Australian product overseas while importing cheaper, lower quality products to sell in Australia. All sounds good until you have to compete in fluctuating market where foreign interests push profit by cutting domestic prices. Thus, dairy industry chokes farmers since they have no need or concern to keep domestic industry. Pork industry also suffering in same manner and other. Go to your local supermarket and look at the packaging and find Australian grown pork, even the deli choices at Woolworths and Coles are imported…
    Australia has applauded governments for creating the slow decay of its economic position. Now tokenistic politicians (such as Hansen) make political points by bringing stupid useless policy that will spell the complete demise of the dairy industry by creating minimum pricing in an industry that they would rather not deal with…

    Australia does need change, I do agree.
     
  3. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Unless you find the perpetual motion machine, which is where you system is 150% efficient, all you doing is spending money or resources (whatever you want to call it) to produce energy for the express purpose of making a statement. Not a sustainable position.

    I can look at things and consider the impact to those who can least afford it. I stand to oppose those who would force the poor to pay for idealistic measures while they themselves pay for nothing. What has happened in my life??? I see the deaths of those who suffer as a result of poor policy to placate the whims of minorities. People who have to choose, pay the power today and starve for the week, put $20 in the petrol tank so they can go to work for the week so they can buy their children food for the week. Those who have been absolutely made dependant on government handouts to live the poorest of lives in this nation so people LIKE US, can sit here and argue about how they should live… Those without a voice…

    Man flew to the moon at huge expense with no return, silly to use as analogy.

    However, there is considerable positive with renewables, but as I say. It is US who have to change it, not demand others to do it for us. I see huge benefit with reforestation using desal but it will cost, and I do consider there is much that can be done. BUT until you stop expecting the poor to pay for it, I WILL ALWAYS OPPOSE IT.


    you decided my political persuasion and vilified me for it, you are also deciding my stance on climate change, renewable industries and mining as I have not stated once my stance...
     
  4. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the polls, I'd say people aren't as likely to admit they support conservative candidates in today's environment. Also, US elections are very turnout based which polls struggle to deal with.

    Albo has made the right move by claiming to move the ALP back towards its old base of working class types. That's the direction they should be going.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Signs Australia may be beginning to enter a Recession.

    All those immigrant workers Australia has been adding do not have as much money to spend as the consumers who were there before. One of the stupid fallacies policy-makers have made, assuming that consumer spending would rise in direct proportion to the population, and that "a person is a person" and "all people are the same".

    The middle class has begun to come under pressure in Australia, and just like what happened in America, the Recession was preceded by a housing affordability crisis, with the younger generation from the middle class not having children and putting off starting families.
     
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    The consumption of newly manufactured goods is half of the problem, the other half is the constant movement of First Worlders.

    I'm for the ceasing of both. We need to stay in our damned village, and re-use/swap/make-do.
     

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