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If the only choices were me and you, then yes.

Otherwise, maybe teach them about layering the many forms of birth control like condoms, the pill, pulling out and then instruct them on a combination of all three maybe? Too hard to wrap your head around that? Most of the pregnancies are due to irresponsible behavior, likely involving alcohol, drugs and irresponsible sex, then the adult children cry about the consequences of their actions and want the government to fix it. Irresponsible adult children mostly.

 

a study from 1999... but anyway...


layer them...not hard.

Contraceptive implant: more than 99% effective with perfect use. They work for 3 years, but can be taken out earlier. Fewer than 1 in 100 women using the implant will get pregnant in a year. Intrauterine system (IUS): more than 99% effective.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/how-effective-contraception/#:~:text=Long%2Dactive%20reversible%20contraceptive%20(LARC)%20methods&text=Contraceptive%20implant%3A%20more%20than%2099,%3A%20more%20than%2099%25%20effective.

How effective is contraception at preventing pregnancy? - NHS

See, not hard if you aren't irresponsible adult children.

 

You are ignoring that the double homicide laws recognizes TWO humans have been murdered.

 

YOU are IGNORING the FACT that the law in question explicitly STIPULATES that it CANNOT be used for charges against medical personnel who perform abortions.

REALITY matters to those who don't HATE women's RIGHTS.

 

One person's rights should never impede on another. Once that really sinks in you'll understand that abortion is MURDER.

I'm so sorry for YOUR CONFUSION.

I'm not arguing that it should be used as law against the existing immoral citizenry. No.
I'm pointing out that it affirms what the delusion immoral citizenry like to ignore: TWO HUMANS ARE KILLED.

Think better.

 

Since you are BRAGGING about you allegedly SUPERIOR cognitive abilities how about you put your money where your mouth is and tell us ALL exactly how YOU intend to PROSECUTE what you term as "murder".

https://www.justia.com/criminal/off...-degree murder is the,in wait” for the victim.

According to YOU every woman who has an abortion is GUILTY of "murder".

How exactly do YOU intend to PROVE in a Court of Law beyond a reasonable doubt that the woman charged is GUILTY and deserves the FULL PENALTY that the law allows?

 

Ad Hom noted.

Is it really my fault you missed the point though?

I'll give you another hint. My argument is a morality one, from the irresponsibility at the beginning to the cry for government bail out at the end. I believe a bit of moral education would help resolve a lot of the adult children issues.

 

ABJECT failure to address DIRECT question BASED entirely upon YOUR stated position duly noted.

FTR your allegation that ALL abortions are MURDER makes ALL women who have abortions MURDERERS per the DEFINITION of murder PROVIDED ergo it CANNOT be an "ad hom" since it was YOU who made these STATEMENTS.

Given YOUR statements that means that according to YOU every woman who has an abortion is GUILTY of "murder" as per what YOU posted above. How exactly do YOU intend to PROVE in a Court of Law beyond a reasonable doubt that the woman charged is GUILTY and deserves the FULL PENALTY that the law allows?

Why are you REFUSING to address the RELEVANT questions that YOUR allegation that abortion is "MURDER" immediately RAISES.

 

Why not use a reliable option and get an abortion if an unwanted pregnancy occurs?

This from Bing:

"According to a study by the Guttmacher Institute, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant. However, this does not mean that birth control is ineffective, as the study also found that most of these patients had used their method inconsistently or incorrectly. The study estimated that only 471,000 abortions were provided to patients who reported they were using contraception correctly and consistently in the month they became pregnant, out of 37.8 million U.S. women aged 15–44 who were using a contraceptive method. Therefore, the best way to prevent unintended pregnancy is to use a reliable and suitable contraceptive method and follow the instructions carefully."​

You have no objection if the woman pays? What if she develops a health condition while she's pregnant?

 

The double homicide law was put in by anti-abortion types like yourself and now you want to use it as proof the fetus us a person.

 

Nice conspiracy theory.

 

I prefer the irresponsible adult children to learn about potential consequences to their actions and make better decisions. A bit of moral education wouldn't kill anyone (pun intended).

For the small % of rapes that end up in pregnancy or health complications, there could be exceptions if carefully considered. It's a living being and one person's right shouldn't erase another's, regardless how you want to label that life growing in them. The majority of unwanted pregnancies can be avoided. Fact.

 

You ignore the arguments I make and instead replaced them with straw men arguments.

I consider a beating heart, the ability to feel pain as characteristics of life.

Ending life, to me, is murder.

The law acknowledges two beings as having been murdered when a pregnant woman is killed. It's called a double homicide. This is a fact.

I would prefer those who engage in risky behavior that may have consequences to be a bit more responsible, and not adult children, which I believe the majority to be.

The post I made on various contraceptives shows that layering several of them can avoid this whole debate.

Your use of CAPS and creating straw men arguments for me suggests volatility on your part.

You can insult me all you want. You aren't going to convince me that abortion isn't murder.

 

You can BELIEVE anything you WANT to BELIEVE.

But under the LAW of the LAND abortion is NOT murder.

WOMEN have the RIGHT to do whatever they want WITH their OWN BODIES including having abortions.

REALITY matters.

 

I don't think that is so anymore. Roe was over-turned. But outlawing abortion is proving to be a political loser. I think Roe did things the wrong way, ramming down the throat of a nation an elitist view on the matter. Now, more like Europe, the people are making the government and laws they want on this matter.

 

DEPRIVING women their RIGHT to their own BODILY AUTONOMY is going to COST the Xtofascist controlled GOP another election in 2024.

That said We the People are not going to allow the Xtofascist controlled GOP to INTIMIDATE women and the LBGTQ community either.

Texass corporations are in TROUBLE because NO ONE wants to MOVE to Texass where they CANNOT get the HEALTHCARE that is their RIGHT.

IMPOSING their HATE laws on the state comes at a PRICE.

Imagine the conversation between a local Tx politician and a corporate executive where they have to EXPLAIN why the corporation would NOT be better off in OR or PA instead? Fundraising is going to DIFFICULT for the Xtofascist controlled GOP in 2024.

 

Like I wrote, it's a political loser. So now we're doing things the correct way: the people are deciding. EDIT: And I do think we the people will, like the Europeans, come up with a much more moderate stance than, "go ahead and kill viable babies if they're still in the womb."

 

That is NOT happening in any REPUTABLE provider of abortions.

Let's just look at what a MODERATE STANCE looks like.

First trimester (weeks 1 - 13) no regulations beyond what apply to ALL medical facilities that dispense medications.

Second trimester (weeks 14 - 26) no regulations beyond what apply to ALL medical facilities that provide OUTPATIENT surgeries.

Third trimester (weeks 27-39) regulations restricting abortions to ONLY in the instances where the fetus is dead/dying/fatal nonsurvivable medical condition and/or the HEALTH/LIFE of the woman concerned is at RISK.

The LEFT will SUPPORT all of the MODERATE conditions above.

Where do YOU stand on the above?

What would you change, if anything?

 

I think I'd insert the word "unusual" to health/life of the mother in that all pregnancies and child bearing comes with risks. Other than that, looks good to me.

 

It's not a matter of belief. Double homicide is a real law.

I never said it was, but they are murdering a living being. It might as well be a law. They didn't need to put it in there in the first place. Take some responsibility after all. No one said growing up was easy.

Reality is that murder happens everyday, you are right. I just wish these irresponsible adult/children would mature and understand the consequences of their actions and take the common sense precautions to stop being adult/children and engaging in risky behavior then crying that the government bail them out. It's sad that these people actually can't take responsibility for themselves and then kill a human.


I notice you ignore this reality

And the reason for that is because you'd have no legs to stand on if you took it on.

Instead you use a logical fail-acy...

Your argument is that the wg'somans's "right" takes another bein away.
It's not a great argument. In fact, it's a horrible argument. My wish is that they would just grow up and become mature, responsible adults and avoid the whole mess that creates enormous amounts of regret in so many of them.

You need to calm down btw. Your use of CAPS indicates you're upset.

 

They ARE "taking responsibility"
When you find out you are pregnant and you realize that you are not in a position (for whatever reason) to raise (and be responsible) for a child then the responsible thing is to get an abortion.

 

99% of pregnancies are avoidable, and easily. So you are wrong. They're acting in an irresponsible manner, and wanting the government to bail them out. Adult/Children.

Just one means of contraception...

"Contraceptive implant: more than 99% effective with perfect use. They work for 3 years, but can be taken out earlier. Fewer than 1 in 100 women using the implant will get pregnant in a year. Intrauterine system (IUS): more than 99% effective."

Imagine layering them...even an adult/child can be educated to do so...

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/how-effective-contraception/#:~:text=Long-active reversible contraceptive (LARC) methods&text=Contraceptive implant: more than 99,: more than 99% effective.

How effective is contraception at preventing pregnancy? - NHS

 

Just saying "You are wrong" means nothing.

 

SCOTUS should have held the Fourteenth's "equal protection" promise invalidates laws limiting abortion.

Many if not most women see abortion as a fundamental right. As long as we have a free society, this can only end with individual women making the abortion decision for themselves.

 

You're going to deny them an abortion because they got pregnant without taking the care you deem necessary?