Coronavirus in America

Blah, blah, blah ...

 

More insipid one-liner nonsense.

Healthcare is a key determinant in lifespan. It is natural for humans to want to live as long as possible.

So, it is kinda-sorta stoopid to prevent a longer lifespan by means of a healthcare system that is patently too expensive and its worth therefore highly suspect. I am living in Europe, and therefore will likely live 3/4 years longer than you in the US.

I recall that a long, long time ago the ignorance on the Right that kept saying highway speed-limits are unacceptable because they limit one's "freedom".

Dumb is as dumb believes ...

 

Biased studies? Prove it ... !

 

CORONAVIRUS-19 GRAPHIC

Source, New York Times, history of Deaths per country, graphic display, here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/21/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-by-country.html

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MEASURING INCOME DISPARITY

And I would say that bit in red above shows that you are comparing apples and oranges because both are fruits. But, in Real Economics, we do not make that evident mistake.

As I have mentioned multiple times in this forum when discussing the matter, there is only one measurement that matters. That of Income Disparity - defined thusly:

When compared against similar economies (the 36 members of the OECD) the US is shown to be the most unfair of all them all:


I live in France, which has taxation such that the visible amount of "shared-income"* going to the top ONE-PERCENT of the population is amongst the lowest.

The highest is glaringly the USofA ... !

*Meaning of incomes declared for taxation by families.

 

Its also a matter of exposure. If I have close-proximity contact with 90% less people than someone who lives in the city (which I figure is likely), then I have 90% less chance of exposure to the virus. And so do most other folks out here. If theres 90% less of us anyway, and we have 90% less chance of getting infected, well, it makes sense that theres only 3 confirmed cases in our whole county, despite sharing a border with King county (seattle) where theres over 1200.

 

The American GP in the US earns on average around $210K a year. (From the BLS here. In the listing go to line 29-1062)

Thus, what I mean is that we are paying far, far too much for Medical Services. And why? Because the diploma's necessary are Extremely High in the US, and students typically enter their practice with enormous debts to repay. Whereas in Europe, ALL POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION IS AROUND ONE KILO-EURO A YEAR. (Plus often room&board.)

And my suggestion in this forum has been (since time-immemorial) that the Uncle Sam stops pissing-away on the DoD our tax-revenues and returns the funds by means of both very-very-low-cost National Health Care and Post-Secondary Education.

Anything else You Need To Know in the matter ... ?

PS: I am not wholly against Defense Expenditures. I am against the amplitude of said expenditures when they displace National Health Care and Post-secondary Education both of which are far, far more important objectives necessary to attain (for the American public).
PPS: Now YOU TELL ME how that isn't so!

 

You can make all the interesting arguments you want and if you think it changes the situation particularly for the US, then you are DEAD WRONG.

I have put-up on this forum the latest comparative (by country) death-rate figures published recently by the New York Times. See here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/21/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-by-country.html

The US is well on its way into the upper-atmosphere of COV-19 deaths. So, let's NOT diminish the ultimate consequence that, had Donald Dork been not so pig-headed, could have been treated two weeks ago and perhaps have changed what now appears to be an inevitable sad outcome for the American people.

Now, pray tell me how I got that wrong. I dearly want to know because though I live in France I have family in the US ...

 

You are the one that used poverty as a metric to start.

Who besides you has decided that economic disparity is the only important measure of political fairness/unfairness? It seems quite a leap of faith to me.

 

I suggest you take a course in Economics and find-out for yourself.

Because you do not understand the economics of human disparity/imbalance/disproportion - etc., etc., etc. ad nauseam ...

PS: Not to mention why it leads to crime and imprisonment in a nation that has the highest per capita incarceration rate of any developed nation. (See here.)

 

Kind of a story about our Internet too. I got to see a number of articles about 60 year old Italians being turned away from hospitals so they can go home to die. Now it is difficult to find those same stories by search engine. ITMT:

 

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I can evidence my claim and time permitting I will.

 

You haven't really answered the question have you? I mean, other than to set yourself up as the world's greatest authority. You cite no evidence, but claim the facts support you anyway. Your unsupported word does not sway me. Your assumption of some kind of mantle of authority on an anonymous forum is ridiculous.

 

FIRST WORLD-UNIVERSAL EPIDEMIC

Just wait. You'll see it in your own home town what happens when there are not enough machines to go around. (And let's hope it's not you in the bed, waiting for one. Right?)

Nobody-but-nobody was prepared for what has happened. That is, nobody predicted that it would or could happen. Despite the fact that there is a precedence - see here-below:


So, now it's happened to the world (and the culprit is the same country, China! This one is far worst and started in a totally unprepared Italy, but Spain is making a strong-challenge in the numbers.

Who's next, aside from the snide remarks in this forum? Uncle Sam? I hope not ...

PS: Note that there is some contention about the figures shown here above. There was, at the time, no proper means for collecting internationally the figures. The World Health Organization tried this time to put in place a method. But that has failed miserably. The numbers I have shown previously for the present epidemic (in other comments) come from another place- see that data here.
PPS: And, so far, they are considered legitimate. Do correct me if you think they are wrong. This is the first multinational case of a worldwide-epidemic. The daily new cases totaled outside of Chine are close to 50K. (See from here.)

 

You have every right to rebut my comments and the information posted.

But do it factually - this is (supposedly) a debate-forum and not just a Message Board ...

 

What should he have done differently?

 

We should've taken off and nuked the site from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

 

I'm still waiting ... !

 

You are welcome to believe that record use of pharm products equals greater health and longer lifespan, but that would require ignorance of results. Here in the US, most of what is making and keeping people sick is subsidized. Personally, I do not consume processed foods or pharm products. My diet is mostly organic, Vegan. I do race motorcycles, so your lifespan may be significantly longer!

 

If not this time, the next. The reality is the world is full of scarcity. It may give one a warm fuzzy to say everyone should have access to everything but that is not reality and may never be. ITMT I think I had it. Testing kits to scarce and while I couldn't breath, I did not have a fever so they sent me home with steroids. I read the scariest thing about this thing is the potential to have so many more in need than there are provisions.

 

Keep his effing mouth shut until he got reputable information, and asked his Dept. of Health manager to come up with (and announce) the the "President's proposed solution".

He would have had a modicum of belief then. He has none now.

But some of us knew this brouhaha would happen from the get-go four long years ago. We just did not know that a worldwide killer-epidemic would start it in the year he is seeking reelection.

The guy is in Full Panic Mode ...

PS: And let's not forget the enduring truth - Donald Dork was NOT elected to be PotUS. Hillary won that vote. It was a concoction passed as an Amendment to the Constitution (and called a Electoral College) in 1812 that is real reason he is sitting in his Offal-Office.

 

So you just don't like what the president said, and you don't know what specifically he actually did that was wrong, just that it should've been something different.

I figured as much.

 

That, I am sorry to tell you, is the reason there have been so many deaths so far in both Italy and Spain.

We-the-sheeple who should have seen the menace in 2002 (the SARS epidemic in China) that could reproduce itself in a worse manner. Which it has done. Why we-in-Europe not better prepared is a grave fault of country-leaders in Europe. They waited to see if (1) the deaths were significant in number and (2) were they introduced into Europê by returnees from China. The answer was yes to both - but too late.

China should have known better than any country - but the politicians running China tried to smother it at first as well. They have since been "replaced". Whilst the real hero in China is a young doctor who first suggested that it was like the SARS-epidemic in 2002/4. When he tried to convince the authorities they ordered him to shut-up!

He has since died of the disease and become China's "Informal Real Hero" ...

 

Because it's working so good in Italy and Spain, right?

 

There is no National Health System on earth that predicts maladies and reacts instantaneously to cure them.

What planet do you live on ... ?