Court Certified Document Expert From Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birth Document Is Forged

Since when does law enforcement present 'evidence' of a crime to Congressmen instead of the District Attorney?

Not that Zullo is actually law enforcement or that Arpaio is actually involved with this anymore.

I predict more press conferences.

Maybe another book deal for Mike Zullo.

 

This is has never been an 'investigation'.

Mike Zullo signed a book deal with a Birther author before starting his 'investigation'.

His 'findings' are a collection of Birther claims, often copied directly from Birther statements.

Real investigations are done by real law enforcement and are provided to DA's- not talked about in press conferences.

 

Funny you should mention that.

Idiotic Birther claims are what brought me to this forum in the first place. I take great pleasure in outing Birther innuendo, speculation and lies posing as the truth. I take great pleasure in demonstrating Birther double standards.

Its a hobby.

We call Birthers those who are so opposed to Obama politically that they will believe any story about Obama as long as it claims he is not actually President. Some on the whacky fringe right just cannot accept the concept that they can disagree with Obama and he still was legitimately elected.

That is what the Birthers believe.

Rational people look at the evidence- which is that the State of Hawaii's experts have said that President Obama was born in Hawaii and that he has shown the American people a legitimate copy of his birth certificate.

Birthers are obsessed with denying that.

Well I give you points for wanting to see some evidence.

Good luck with that.

I welcome anyone with an open mind who will look at the evidence.

That has in my experience always excluded Birthers.

 

Really for all of the 'birth certificate is a forgery crowd'.....

How do you account for confirmations in 2008 by the Hawaii Republican Director of Health that then Senator Obama's birth certificate was on file, followed by 2009 confirming that he was born in Hawaii.

And the subsequent confirmation in 2011 by the Democratic Director of Health that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

And the subsequent confirmation by the chief civil servant Registrar of Records to three different states that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

Do you think that all of them are part of some fraud conspiracy?

If so- please elaborate.

 

Birthers, like truthers, like those who think the Moon landing is a hoax, all do several things.

1. Cling to anything that even appears to be a discontinuity.
2. Misrepresent evidence based on their bias.
3. Call anyone who questions their lack of evidence for their assertions.
4. Pretend they are only seeking answers to questions.

Someone here said he doesn't know if the President ever said he was a foreign student. so he suggests maybe. I don't have evidence that this person is not a pedophile. I have seen no evidence to the contrary. So is it okay to call you a pedophile until he proves to me he is not?

 

Thanks, Jeff, and now our new colleague, MCCP, has heard from both the Obama-supporters, and the Obama-doubters. That is a good thing, and it is probably about as close as we (collectively) can come to being "fair-and-balanced", more or less.

Now, I want to see some substance, be that a 40-page report, or some kind of much greater detail from Dr. Taitz, or whoever it is that has the goods on this thing. It is likely we'll have to dig for it, because none of the mainstream Obama-loving "news" media would carry anything about it even if it was the size of Godzilla, but it's up to Taitz to "bring it" anyway!

 

I don't think Taitz is involved with this one.

Birthers are rather like Christians in that they are divided by schisms of Birther beliefs, and arguments about who really represents the orthodoxy.

I believe Orly is angry at Zullo for some imagined slight. Zullo is the one claiming to possess the super secret report that he will reveal when the time is right.

 

http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/reed-hayes-and-the-crapomite-maneuver/

Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Posse have already tried to get prosecutor Bill Montgomery to prosecute Obama, and he refused for lack of evidence. A copy of the refusal is in Note 1., below. If the Cold Case Posse had a report from Hayes, and presented it, then it obviously did not contain enough to permit prosecution. If the Cold Case Posse had such a bang-up report, and did not present it to the prosecutor, just prior to the presidential election, then there is something else going on between Obama and Arpaio, such as been alleged by Orly Taitz. In that case, the report will probably never see the light of day

 

The posse doesn't want to take it to Montgomery, only congress.

 

You are correct. Taitz is not involved with this.

 

You do know that it is a strong possibility that Hawaiian Dept. of Health officials could have been lying to cover for Obama. They could have talked with Mike Zullo when they went to the Dept of Health but refused to do so. Alvin Onaka, the registrar, initiated a serious red flag when he refused to submit to an interview with them.

 

Congress is the way to go in a case like this. They are the ones who can remove a president. They can initiate a sub-committee and issue subpoena's and call witnesses to testify. Arpaio all along has said he wants this in front of congress.

 

No matter what Hawaii has said, an authoritative law enforcement agency who performed a 21 month investigation has confirmed that the birth certificate IS not authentic. That is backed with an investigation by a independent Hawaii court recognized forensic document expert. That speaks volumes.

 

The 'posse' doesn't want to take 'evidence' of a crime to the District Attorney?

Don't you find that rather odd? I sure do.

The super sekrit evidence that they announce at press conferences but don't show the public or the DA but announce that they will be taking it to Congress.....

Birthers lol

 

Let me guess... another birther "forensic document" analyst who does an analysis based on pictures posted on the internet.


#LOL@birthers

 

This guy is a professional expert in computer generated handwriting and document analysis who is gay and a registered democrat from Hawaii who was also hired by Obama's lawyers at Perkins Coie law firm to do work on unrelated matters.

 

Well that is the crux of the Birther problem isn't it?

The official state agency who is in charge of issuing Birth Certificates provided that Birth Certificate to Barack Obama at his request.

Barack Obama showed the public the official BC that the State of Hawaii provided him, which matches every other public record.

Can you explain how this would make Barack Obama guilty of anything?

Let me put it another way- if your state DMV issues you a drivers licence- literally hands it to you in its office- and then months later someone says it is a forgery- is it your fault that the DMV gave you a forgery?

Of course the idea that it doesn't matter what the State of Hawaii said is just idiotic.

Stop right there.

Are you lying or ignorant?

The so called "Cold Case Posse" is not a law enforcement agency.

It has no authority. It can't arrest anyone. It apparently can't even present evidence to its county DA.

It is a group of citizen volunteers that operate with the recognition of the Sheriff's department but they have no legal authority at all, and not a single law enforcement office belongs to the group.

No, Mike Zullo has claimed alot, but hasn't confirmed anything.

Seriously what type of investigation starts with signing the lead 'investigator'- Zullo- signing a book deal with a publisher who promotes the very claims that Zullo ends up pretending to have proven?

That is what Mike Zullo claims.

No one has heard directly from this expert, no one has seen the report Zullo claims exists and no one knows whether this 'expert' has expertise in looking at online copies of birth certificates.

Meanwhile in the real world....actual experts from the State of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the original birth certificates authenticity.

 

No I don't find that odd at all. Just like Watergate, they took it to Congress to initiate subpoena's in order to get down to the truth.

 

Apparently not- since the posse presented their 'evidence' to the DA in 2012 and he sent them packing.

Since the DA won't listen, the 'posse' is hoping that they can find a politician that will.

Makes you wonder why they still haven't approached Congress....since a year ago Arpaio and Zullo said that they had evidence of a forgery.....just like they say now.....

Birthers lol

 

"registered Democrat"? LOL

I will point out that Mike Zullo is the only one telling us what this 'expert' has said. Since Zullo has played fast and lose with the truth in the past, no reason to assume anything similar this time.

Remember the supposed interview with the old lady in the rest home? Again- nothing but Mike Zullo's account.

Birthers lol

 

Despite what Hawaii Dept. Of Health has stated, what was shown to the American on April 27, 2011 to the public IS confirmed a forgery by the CCP operating under the Arizona constitutional authority of Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office law enforcement investigative resources it uses. The 300 page accumulation of evidence that has been collected and backed by Hawaii court recognized document expert Reed Hayes and his 40 page documentation of evidence confirms it. You have only seen 30 % of evidence that Commander Mike Zullo has. There is a lot more you are unaware of and that evidence is confidential and does not need to be made public for the opposition to obfuscate. Reed Hayes findings do not need to be made public either. The booklet of evidence Mike made is of no significance to the overall picture that Obama submitted a blatant forgery onto the American populous.

 

You can laugh at Reed Hayes and Mike Zullo all you want. The fact remains is Obama released a forged birth document to the American public. They have proven it and put the Hawaii Dept. Of Health on notice of a cover-up.

 

LOLOLOL.....

 

Funny, I looked over his credentials and saw nothing about "computer generated." He is, ostensibly, a document analyst and forensic HANDWRITING expert.

So exactly what physical document did he examine? Again, pics off the internet of an available document wouldn't count in a court of law so they don't count here.

Ahh, well if he's gay then his "analysis" must be correct.

Really? That's interesting because Hawaii doesn't have political party registration.

Perkins-Coie is an international firm. I'm sure that they've employed literally thousands of "experts" with differing degrees of credentials.


I would also like to point out that your title "Court Certified Document Expert" is just a complete fabrication. Courts don't certify document experts.

 

Really- a strong possibility?

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen

Dr. Fukino is a Republican, appointed by Linda Lingle, the Republican governor who at the time was the head of John McCain's presidential campaign.

Why would a Republican like Dr. Fukino lied to protect then Senator Obama? Why would the Republican Governor of Hawaii lie to protect Senator Obama?

Seriously- why would a civil servant risk jail time to lie for Barack Obama?

At a minimum the following people all would have had to lie- if this was a lie:
Dr. Fukino- Director of Health- Republican
Loretta Fuddy- current Director of Health- Democrat
Alvin Onaka- Registrar of Records for I believe 20 years
Governor Abercrombie- Democrat.

All have claimed first hand knowledge that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, all but Abercrombie have confirmed that the information on the Birth certificate is accurate.

Do you really propose that there is a conspiracy among all of the above- and that they have all risked jail time, and professional ruin- to lie for someone they don't know- and in the case of Fukino- politically oppose?

If an official request was made by the State of Arizona, like was made for verification, Hawaii would have played along. But Mike Zullo was a private citizen, who never made any official request. He was just another nutball birther as far as Hawaii is concerned.

No- Alvin Onaka just ignored Mike Zullo's odd visit to Hawaii and obeyed Hawaiian law. Onaka has no authority to provide any information to a private citizen.

Meanwhile, the Secretary of State of Arizona accepted Alvin Onaka's verification of Obama's birth certificate. The State of Arizona requested information properly and the State of Hawaii provided it.