Cutting Back on Carbon

a consensus of climatologists think there'e plenty of evidence to support a conclusion that human-driven global warming is real

 

A consensus is meaningless if they are proven wrong. 17 years and 9 months of no warming. Observations have not been consistent with the predictions.

The 97% is meaningless because 100% of scientist believe man contributes to warming. The debate is how much, if it is significant, if it is bad, and if anything can be done about it. So far none of those are really answered.

 

they aren't being proven wrong

 

They aren't being proven right either.

 

climatologists aren't on your side

 

Irrelevant. The fact that observations are not following the predictions, how many more years of no warming and possibly cooling based on other hypothesis would it take to change some minds? It used to be 15 years but when that was passed, it now has changed. There is a lot of effort, money, and reputations poured into the CO2 hypothesis modelling.

 

except for someone that lives near the beach in miami or for a climatologist

 

Miami will go underwater no matter what. How are you going to refreeze the water that has been melting since the beginning of the Holocene?

 

you don't know what you're talking about

if the ice caps were gaining ice, miami wouldn't go underwater

 

Sure, guess what, the Arctic has been gaining ice this year and so has the Antarctic for years.

Total sea ice is above the mean.



http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

 

Monthly May ice extent for 1979 to 2014 shows a decline of -2.3% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.

May 2014 is now the third lowest May extent in the satellite record.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

 

You said icecaps but only concentrate on the Arctic.

 

it shows that you were wrong

 

The general trend is up from the low.

 

what a joke, do you understand what a trend is? look at the blue line

 

Yes, why look at the total record when you only have to look at May.

 

of course you can't admit you were wrong

 

Wrong about what, the total record shows it is up from the low. Total sea ice is up.

 

you don't know what you're talking about


After a greater-than-average snow extent in February, snow extent over the Northern Hemisphere shrank rapidly in March, April and May. The Rutgers University Global Snow Lab measured the lowest April snow extent in Eurasia in the 48-year data record.

http://http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

 

This seems to be all you have left for an argument anymore. You have bought lock, stock, and barrel into the alarmism and appear to have no scientific curiosity in anything other than that.

 

i'm not alarmed and haven't bought anything, i'm looking at the evidence

you know, the evidence that refuted what you said

 

Total sea ice worldwide is still up but all you can do is continue to misdirect by ignoring that fact.

 

the evidence which has already been presented, makes it clear what's happening

you can continue to deny the indications, but ever increasing amounts substantiate the case for anthropogenic global warming

 

Then you would have to agree that sea ice is up over the mean as proven by the evidence (which of course you are ignoring). You can continue to deny the evidence but then that just makes you look silly. Also unfortunately for you observations are not following the predictions based on the computer models so it would be a hard press to say anything is substantiated.

 

no i wouldn't