D-Day anniversary

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  1. pjohns

    pjohns Well-Known Member

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    Today is the 70th anniversary of the Allies' invasion of Normandy.

    Can anyone imagine what it would be like--even now--if it had failed, and the Axis powers had prevailed in WWII?
     
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    Well there are some serious things wrong with your statement.

    Let us assume that the invasion of Normandy failed- that would have been a horrible temporary defeat.

    BUT......the Western Allies were already in Italy and advancing towards France. The Soviets were advancing through Poland(I believe) by that time. The result would likely have been a short delay to the defeat of the Nazi's, and with the Soviets in control of all of Germany, Austria and perhaps the Low Country.

    Meanwhile- the remaining Axis power- Japan- would not have been affected by a failure at D-Day. Their days were numbered and that number was the Enola Gay.
     
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    Your conclusion--i.e. that the Nazis would have suffered defeat, anyway; just not quite so quickly--is surely mere speculation. And it is not inherently bad to speculate--in fact, I requested as much--but to pass it off as objectively right, while breezily dismissing any other view as objectively "wrong," is just a little too cavalier for my taste...
     
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    No the other poster is right. Going up Italy was always the plan B to a failure at Normandy. With the momentum the Soviets had, all that changes is where the allies link up. Even before D Day the western allies where winning the air war. And that ultimately was the end of the German war effort
     
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    Actually, what was said on FNC today was that there was no Plan B. And that then-Gen. Eisenhower (later to be President Eisenhower) had taken full blame, in advance, should the effort fail.
     
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    I am not really concerned what other say on other forums. There was a plan B - Churchill pushed but not get it to fly. D Day fails. Eisenhower gets fired. British push Italian front.
     
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    FNC is Fox News Channel--a 24/7 cable-news network--not "another forum." (And it was not stated as mere opinion, but forthrightly, as fact.)
     
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    Fox news?

    Anyway- I really think you wanted a serious answer.

    Whatever happened at Normandy would not have affected the war against Japan- the other remaining Axis power.

    The Soviets were driving the Germans back, the Western Allies were in Italy and could have continued to push up through Austria and France.

    None of this discounts the bravery the troops or the audacity of the plan of attack for D-Day- certainly it would have changed the date of the end of the war, and it would have likely resulted in Soviet Dominance over much of Europe, but it wouldn't have changed that Germany was going down in defeat.
     
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    Italy occuring in '43 it seems to me was plan A and d-day plan B, if d day was cancelled ordelayed half of italy had already been won and the russians in poland the end was inevitably...the mere presence of invasion forces in england would've pinned the german divisions on the french coast...
     

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