Decreasing abortion rate

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by edna kawabata, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Good news, the abortion rate is the lowest since legalization in '73. Why?
    The growing use of long-term contraceptive methods, like intrauterine devices and implants, which are now covered by insurance under the Affordable Care Act.
    It is not because of the right-winger's restrictions because if that were true birth rates should go up, but instead they have gone down.
     
    Sallyally, Phyxius, Bowerbird and 2 others like this.
  2. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    And sex Ed classes..(taught it for 15 years)
     
    Sallyally and Bowerbird like this.
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, the real reason more probably has to do with people having less sex.
    It's a sociological phenomena that can be seen in Japan too. We all know the Recession has not been good for the formation of families, but what else people don't realize is it has not been good for the formation of younger people forming romantic relationships. Many teens now who don't have cars, when their counterparts in the 90s would have.

    Maybe we can say this has been at least one silver lining to the Recession? A little bit lower abortion rate.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2019
  4. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    60,281
    Likes Received:
    40,726
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    It’s all about sex? Don’t think so

    upload_2019-9-19_11-59-51.png
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    45,783
    Likes Received:
    15,078
    Trophy Points:
    113

    :roflol::roll::roflol::roflol:
     
    Giftedone likes this.
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your graph does show that abortion rates were already on the decline decades before then, but if you'll notice, there is a fairly steep drop off that begins some time between 2008 and 2009, about the time the Recession started.

    So I think we are both half right.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
  7. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    60,281
    Likes Received:
    40,726
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    This is not just the USA but here are some USA stats

    https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ajo.12810
    upload_2019-9-19_14-9-40.png
    upload_2019-9-19_14-11-46.jpeg
     
    Giftedone, Sallyally and FoxHastings like this.
  8. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    60,281
    Likes Received:
    40,726
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Adequate and reliable contraception is a world wide issue

    upload_2019-9-19_14-19-54.jpeg
     
    Sallyally and FoxHastings like this.
  9. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    45,783
    Likes Received:
    15,078
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [​IMG]





    Yup, and most of that Planned Parenthood offers.....and the Republicans are doing everything they can to shut them down....
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
    Renee likes this.
  10. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    4,242
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's not a fair comparison. There are a lot of Hispanics in Texas.
    The abortion rate in California is higher than Texas, and they're pretty much the most progressive state in the country. There'd be no shortage of sex education classes and free condoms there.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
  11. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thanks to the affordable care act, pharm companies are enjoying record profits while Americans are sicker than ever.
     
  12. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You’re blaming the ACA for the profits ? Got to tell those millions and millions and millions of people cannot see doctors that they are sick of the never
     
  13. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, forcing tax payers to buy medication to mask symptoms so that the illness can worsen, requiring more medications, does add to the bottom line. Do you have any idea why Americans are sicker than ever?
     
  14. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Sure, diet and lack of exercise.
    Are meds for high bp, diabetes and high cholesterol ''masking symptoms'' or treating a disease process? Would medical costs be higher if they were not treated?
     
    Renee likes this.
  15. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    More women were getting IUDs after ACA because they were practically free and there was another run on them when Trump got elected and threatened to end the ACA.
    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a8607158/iud-removal-affordable-care-act/
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
    FoxHastings likes this.
  16. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Huh?how is one forced?who is doing the forcing?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  17. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The problem is the food items that are creating sickness are subsidized by tax payers.

    If I don't pay my taxes, they take my home, business, retirement, and throw me in prison. My tax dollar is then used to subsidize food items that make people sick, and then the prescription drugs to mask symptoms and keep them sick.
     
  18. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I get it! The government is forcing the public to overeat and eat a poor diet and then big pharma cleans up by masking the symptoms to keep them sick and continue the process while the government forces the public to keep this vast conspiracy running through tax dollars. Is that it? My god, we are just pawns!......and off topic
     
  19. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Someone was crediting Obamacare for the reduction of abortions. People are fatter and sicker than ever. Where did the concern for human life go?
     
  20. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That ''someone'' was me, but let's continue with your conspiracies and theories. Your opinion seems to be the abortion rate is down because there are more sick fat women not having sex? That is because the government and big pharma are colluding to weaken the race?
     
  21. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,784
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    People are sicker than ever because of the air we are breathing
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  22. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No reasonable person would extract that from my post. The post I replied to claimed that Obamacare is why abortion rates are down. What you call a conspiracy theory is a fact. Look it up. Americans are fatter and sicker than ever.


    That is certainly a factor, but diet is the main factor.
     
  23. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    What? I just took your ''theories'' to their logical conclusions which were dubious.
    So I think I could say the drop in women smoking accounts for the drop in abortions is as credible as your rise of ''sickly fat women''.
     
  24. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,018
    Likes Received:
    6,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have already corrected you on that. I don't believe that Obamacare is a significant factor in the reduction of abortions. Based on the current level of illness, It does more harm than good. If that is too complicated, heres one for you:

    Teenage pregnancy rates drop significantly at age 20!
     
  25. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    While the rate of teenage pregnancy does drop to zero at age 20 the rest of your logic is on shakier ground. Having available healthcare does more harm than good. Seeing a doctor would negatively impact your health? Increased availability and use of contraceptives would have no effect on the abortion rate?
    You have a lot to prove.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2019

Share This Page