Defund the police... total jerks.

´ ~ Soon we may all need a pistola !

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Rather than blindly repeating that talking point how about proving blue states and municipalities are in worse shape because of mismanagement.

 

"However, “defund the police” is also a simplistic slogan, and the poll results above do not capture public opinion on the movement’s more concrete policy goals. Specifically, defunding the police is only half of its goal; activists also want to reallocate the money spent on policing to other parts of the social safety net. Indeed, in those very same polls, some of these policy ideas enjoy far more backing among the American public than the slogan does — though the level of support does vary pretty widely depending on the details of the proposal.

For instance, when Reuters/Ipsos queried people about “proposals to move some money currently going to police budgets into better officer training, local programs for homelessness, mental health assistance, and domestic violence,” a whopping 76 percent of people who were familiar with those proposals supported them, with only 22 percent opposed. Democrats and independents supported these proposals in huge numbers while Republicans were split, 51 percent in favor to 47 percent opposed."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...nding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/

 

Do you have a source? Or are you just guessing?

 

You have literally made up numbers out of thin air. Not helping your argument...

 

If you go back to one of my earlier posts. One you criticized. Notice the bold words.

My intent was to use some very simple numbers to explain why his logic was flawed.

Later, I remembered the number of blacks killed by the police per year as being roughly 1000. I was in error. That was the total killed by police.

Now show me where I literally made up numbers out of thin air. In one case, I explained what I was doing and in the other I made a mistake.

So. You are bent out of shape because I made one mistake that I admitted to making.

 

Other polls report differently:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose calls for defunding police departments, compared to 34% who back the movement, and 60% specifically oppose reducing the budget for police to reallocate it to other public health and social programs, while 39% support that move.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-...d-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300

 

When asked about the need for what the survey called “major changes” in policing, the majority of Americans expressed support. Some groups endorsed changes at much higher rates than others: 88 percent of black Americans supported major changes to policing, as did 82 percent of Asian Americans, 63 percent of Hispanic Americans and more than half — 51 percent — of white Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/

The point being polls are only as accurate as the information the people being polled have on the subject and how the questions are asked.

My point being more people support elements of the "defund the police" policy goals than conservative posters realize.

 

When the people see the results of defunding the police they will change their minds. At least I expect so. Or maybe not. The baleful effects will affect BIPOCs mostly, so White people won't care.

 

Will you actually listen and try to understand even if it goes against your core political agenda?

public. Sector. Unions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrar...cities-are-practically-broke/?sh=4fdc2fa62ebb

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-14b/amp/

https://reason.org/commentary/new-york-citys-unfunded-opeb-liability-surpasses-100-billion/

https://californiapolicycenter.org/californias-state-and-local-liabilities-total-1-5-trillion-2/


These are 100% democrat and liberal driven issues.

 

No, it isn't a 'maybe'.

We see what happens when people comply and don't resist,, nothing. And we see it a few hundred thousand times per day.

But don't let data get in the way of your hate police agenda.

 

~ Washington DC should go CHAZ. See how Capitol Hill like it.

 

Only extremist nut burgers hold this vile position, and are they rat bastards about it.

"Their Careers Are Over": Cornell Student Reps Targeted For Destruction For Opposing Efforts To Defund/Disarm Campus Cops

Jonathan Turley,

Student editors and student government leaders are misusing their positions to retaliate against the exercise of free speech by other students and they are supported in this gross rights violation by the censorious faculty. Crazed journalism deans call for censorship and journalism professors call for the rejection of neutrality in the media. Universities beam approvingly as students and faculty harass and punish those with opposing views. College Fix recently reported on students at Censorious Cornell University who moved to oust student representatives who voted against disarming and defunding campus police.

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After students failed to pass a resolution calling for the defunding and disarming of the Cornell Police Department, student "leaders" called for the removal of opposing leaders from committees or the student government as a whole.

Uchenna Chukwukere, the Student Assembly vice president of finance declared

Eventually, after a series of failed votes, the student organizers were able to pass Resolution 30, calling to disarm campus police by two votes.

Student Dakota Johnson, a Marine veteran, was told by a racist that:

Is the university responsible when students use their positions to deny the free speech of other students or punish those who hold opposing views?

Sue their asses off, make the censorious bastards pay, and pay, and pay some more.

The whole defund the police thing is insane and to destroy a college record over a political disagreement, a record that has direct impact on future earning power, is an attack that has to be compensated for, with sufficient penalty to warn others who might be tempted to similarly violate the rights of others.

 

And the actual facts that inform the statistics disprove yours.

 

Agreed. But that doesn't change the fact-based numbers in the linked reports in comment #43.

It isn't always about the behavior of the citizen being stopped or arrested.

 

And immediately countered by comment #44.

There is no "always". However, in the vast majority of cases where blacks were killed, it was preceded by them resisting arrest or otherwise not following legal orders by law enforcement.

 

How so? You are trying to offer the outlier as the normative condition. The normative condition is that the overwhelming majority of black folks walk away from a police interaction without a scratch.

 

#44 did not include a link to supporting facts. Cart before the horse. Study facts first, then form opinion.

 

See the links in #43.

 

I am going to provide you with a few facts without links. If you don't believe them, you are free to look them up. Strictly from memory, so the numbers are not precise. However, they are close enough to prove my point.

Blacks kill around 10,000 blacks per year. Whites kill about the same number of whites per year. Yet they are around seven times as many whites as blacks. i.e. Individual blacks are seven times as likely to kill a black as a white is to kill a white.

A study in California found that blacks were around eight times more likely to resist arrest than whites.

In nearly every case a policeman killed a black man, it was preceded by resisting arrest or disobeying lawful orders by a law enforcement officer.

About 200 blacks are killed by policeman per year. That is among millions of police encounters with blacks per year.

More than five eights of all blacks would prefer the current level of police protection or more police protection.

Do you notice a pattern? Resisting arrest increases your chances of getting killed by an order of magnitude.

 

The conclusions you're pushing based on your data you presented in post 43 is garbage. You're making some MASSIVE assumptions (that we all know aren't true) and you aren't even realizing it.

You are acting like "blacks being x times more likely to be killed by police" is somehow indicative that they are targeted and/or treated unfairly more often than whites. This conclusion absolutely can NOT be drawn from what you've presented. You need to know how the victims behave in these scenarios in order to draw conclusions about how they're treated.

It's really quite simple. If you have two groups, A and B, and group A is 10 times more likely to resist arrest than those in group B, then group A is going to have force used against them at a MUCH higher rate than group B.

The word 'always' almost never applies to any situation ever....but in this discussion, while it technically doesn't apply, it's pretty damn close because of the million+ police/public interactions each day, year after year, the instances in which the person being stopped or arrested complies and is still harmed is so unbelievably rare that you really have no argument.

You are doing nothing but pushing a hate cop agenda. You're not going to stop....ever. No amount of data, facts, etc will sway you from your agenda.

 

After reading through your list of articles on unfunded pension liabilities, a couple of thoughts. Believing it is an uniquely Dem problem is just flat wrong.
Is your money safe? These states are getting hit hardest by the pension crisis

• Nebraska.
• Utah.
• North Carolina.
• Idaho.
• New York.
• Tennessee.
• South Dakota.
• Wisconsin.
• https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/10/15/every-states-pension-crisis-ranked/40302439/

Secondly, the relief money being sought by Dems is not being dedicated to addressing the pension shortfalls. Thirdly, pension shortfalls are, to a large extent, due to low returns on fixed income investments (the kind pension funds are mandated to have) brought on by the 2008 Bush recession resulting in interest rates near zero for over a decade.

Can I help disabuse you of any other right wing myths?

BTW, high current unemployment rates in blue states relative to red states has nothing to do with mis-management.

https://slate.com/business/2020/10/economy-states-blue-red-trump-biden.html

 

Good that these officers did their job - above and beyond in this case. Better than chasing around Pot Smokers in that unholy war - which is what the Defund movement is about .. at least in part - the good part - the right part -and the just part.

 

Yes, I saw your cite (thank you). However, does not disprove my position. So, not sure what you're trying to argue here.

 

Statistics on blacks killing blacks have nothing to do with police violence towards blacks.

My black friends all had the same talk with their children or grandchildren on how to behave when stopped by police either on foot or in a car. That talk is completely different from the one white parents have with their kids, if they even bother to have the talk at all.

Unlike others on this forum, I'm willing to go to the trouble to link to corroborating studies and articles. Please do me the courtesy of reading them before responding.

https://www.washington.edu/news/202...-to-different-outcomes-for-black-white-youth/

"The study’s authors found that Black youth are more likely than white youth to be treated as “usual suspects” after a first encounter with police, leading to subsequent arrests over time. Even as white young adults report engaging in significantly more illegal behavior, Black young adults face more criminal penalties, the study finds."

There's a link to the actual study, and email addresses of the authors.

To further illustrate that law enforcement is systemically biased, we can't leave out the widespread policy known as proactive policing (i.e., "stop-and-frisk").

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/17/8261

Now, add to that a more current but little-known phenomena of law enforcement agencies and the hiring of white supremacists:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...m-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law

I know it's a lot of reading, but this is not a simple issue.