Democratic Party rigs the nomination election in Florida

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's a story the mainstream media is giving almost no attention to.
    It's a kind of big story.

    As some of you may already know, Biden is trying to pull some strings, and there is a faction within the Democrat party leadership that is trying to rig the primaries to make sure Biden wins the nomination again.
    The following below story is just one part of something bigger that is going on.


    Florida Dems Cancel Democracy?
    Dems Go FULL AUTHORITARIAN: Rig Florida Primary
    https://www.tiktok.com/@centralx24/video/7308855834245713183

    Breaking Points, with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti
    Florida Democrats End Primary in Gift to Biden

    transcript of video

    Inexplicable and yet totally explicable move, the Florida Democratic Party has now officially put Joe Biden on the ballot in Florida, cancelling their primary, and effectively making it so that there will be no democracy in the state of Florida for democrats.
    (They show a video segment of Democrats in a crowded room with their hands in the air chanting "Four more years! Four more years!" Some are clapping in unison with the chant.)
    So you can see them chanting 'four more years'. The thing is you can see them chant it before there was ever going to be a primary. I love the political headline here: (from Politico) 'Florida Democrats plan to cancel presidential Primary, enraging Dean Phillip's campaign'

    Not just Dean Phillips' campaign, as we will show you, but...
    Yeah, I love how they only mention him, when he's not even the leading Democrat contender. Anyway... classic...
    What they are doing, and Nikki Fried, the chair the Florida Democratic party, says that the party has (quote) 'followed its standard process', and says that it is 'dismayed now by Dean Phillip's conspiratorial and inappropriate comments comparing the state of Florida to an Iranian regime, as part of his knee-jerk reaction to long-established procedures.' This comes to the 'delegation selection plan' that they basically sped through the Democratic convention, where, through bureaucratic means, they just cancelled the presidential primary completely. Here is what Dean Phillips had to say about that:

    (video) 'Hey everybody. What happened in Florida yesterday is a tragedy, and a travesty. The Florida Democratic party decided -- just a handful of people -- decided to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters in Florida, by saying we're not going to have a presidential primary. I'm running for president, there are others running for president as Democrats. And this is the type of stuff that happens in Tehran, not in Tallahassee (capital city of Florida). We've got to do something about this. I've been a lifelong Democrat, you know that. Supported our party since I was in my 20s... Been a member of congress for three terms, and was a member of House Democratic leadership. I've never seen something so absurd, so disenfranchising, and so suppressive of Democratic voters.'

    I mean, I think he's right, Krystal, and unlike Politico, we'll mention some of the other candidates who are in the race: Cenk Uygur and Marianne Williamson also sounded off, they had a press conference on the subject. Here's what they had to say:

    (video) Cenk: 'Marianne's at 12 percent. She would be, what, tied with DeSantis, above Nikki Haley. She would be second among the Republicans, let alone the fact that she's second among Democrats. On which planet is that not a valid candidate? ... It's so absurd, it's kafkaesque. Oh, a person polling higher than almost any challenger on the Republican or Democratic side, doesn't exist?
    Marriane: 'It's worth noting as well there's one person who could put an end to all this craziness, and that's President Biden. President Biden should simply make a phone, say this isn't right, make sure it's changed, and it would be.'

    Cenk: 'Such a great point. If I was the President, I'd be like, oh, Marrianne and Dean are running against me. Great, no problem, let's hear it out.' ...
    Marrianne: 'It is hurting the Democratic Party and its chances for 2024, that they are acting this way. Cenk and I are not hurting the Democratic Party chances in 2024, they are.'

    Yeah, she's obviously right, and all the candidates should be outraged at this. And yet I think this barely dented mainstream coverage. Yeah, and the only reason it dented it at all is because of Dean Phillips.
    And that's why I'm glad he's in the race, because we have this centrist-y member of Congress, you know, has the right credentials for the media to pay attention to, and whatever... and helps to elevate the just brazen undemocratic nature of this process. And of course goes without saying, the irony and the hypocrisy of a Democratic party that claims to quote 'be saving democracy', by literally cancelling democracy in the state of Florida, is quite something.

    ... In Florida, under state law, it's left up to the parties to decide who gets put on the ballot. ... The other thing I was thinking about, is Biden is way ahead, Marrianne's at 12 percent, Dean Phillips is at 8 percent, Cenk's at 1 or 2 percent, in the polls he's been put on at this point. So you got a really large lead here. But I think they feel that their position is precarious. And whether it is or not, it's hard to say, but they're looking at the polls, the fact that so many Democratic voters are very anxious about Joe Biden, how many Democratic voters are very upset with Joe Biden, how many Democratic voters really hated his policy on Israel -- his policy on Israel is more popular with Republicans than it is with Democrats. And they feel a sense of vulnerability. And so they're worried, someone could catch fire in this moment and really take off and make a run at it.
    Yeah, I think you're right, it's so obvious. They are trying... they are not trying, they are rigging it completely for Biden's benefit.

    For those not aware of how the party election for nominations of presidential candidate works, the Democratic party in each state holds -- or usually holds -- state-wide elections, and then sends delegates to the Democratic National Convention. It's sort of similar to the way national elections and the Electoral College works.
     
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    I don't see the problem. Dems love when their leaders make decisions for them.
     
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    They are just saving them from having to wait in line to vote for days with no food or water or having to find their way down the decade long process and debilitating cost of getting a state issued ID.
     
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    How many primaries did Fat Orange Jesus face in 2020? You can round if you'd like...

    As an aside, I listened to Dean Phillips for the first time on my fav podcast last week. Comes off as a reasonable fellow....Shame he's giving up Congress for this vision quest....
     
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    Well this is the sort of thing partys do. I wonder if it'll change anything when Newsom runs in Biden's place. Cuz that's gonna happen. Biden doesn't have 4 more years in him, and I dont think anyone wants to find out what a Harris presidency would be like. I mean, I kinda do, but more out of morbid curiosity than anything else, not in any real sense.
     
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    It does seem that 'democracy' more and more just refers to a consensus among unelected party loyalist bureaucrats rather than a consensus of The People.
     
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    Not gonna happen, but Gavin will certainly be in prime position for a 2028 primary run against Kamala, with him probably being the favorite...
     
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    I dont know why they do it, but its not new. Incumbents have often been presumed nominees, like 'W' aka "the shrub" was in 2004 for GOP and Obama in 2012. Its 100% up to the parties to decide how to pick their nominees.

    If Biden drops out, which I think he will, and more then one credible candidate announces candidacy, then they'll hold the primaries.
     
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    We’re gonna sneak Gavin in at the convention.
     
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    Always shocked when people show they have no understanding of political parties. It’s perfectly acceptable for them to just say today. Our candidate is Taylor Swift.
     
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    Everyone knows this. Sure, some people in the Democrat party leadership view (or viewed) Biden as great compromise, someone who wouldn't be too extreme, could appeal to swing voters, and would go along with orders from the party leadership, but it's hard for me to understand how there could still be competent people in the Democrat party leadership supporting his run for president again.
    I wonder what Biden used to bribe or get these Democrat leaders to support him again.

    Maybe some sort of promises, like if he's made president again, he will use that position to make sure these high level loyal party supporters are rewarded.
    Maybe even something involving private industry, like a tit-for-tat. Maybe Biden has done some favors to a private industry, and then these private industries can later provide some lucrative high-paid position, to those whom Biden wishes to reward in return for favors.

    This is all speculative, I don't have any evidence that this is the case. But this sort of stuff commonly goes on in politics and it's difficult for me to understand why these high level party members are supporting Biden's run, when in so many ways it seems untenable and damaging to the party.

    I do know that the political parties have powerful tactics for being able to get politicians to vote the way they want, so I assume it could also work around in the other way.
     
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    I just got off the phone with Bernie Sanders and he said Phillips will be delighted when he gets his house on a lake.
     
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    :roflol:
    NOT gonna happen...
     
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    Biden is possibly the ideal president. He literally does whatever his advisors want. If We The People had accurate representation in Biden's advisors, he might be the greatest POTUS of all time. Of course We The People do not have accurate representation in Biden's advisors, they are instead special interest mouthpieces selected from international corporate think tanks and revolving door relationship with business lobbys. The real problem is that Biden either doesn't know that, or doesn't care, and I think his deteriorating mental state is a great boon to perpetuating this relationship. Of course, it only can be for so long, eventually Biden will go from mostly gaff to all gaff, and the gig will be up.
     
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    You all have to understand that it's Biden's turn to run for president. He's president right now and it's his claim. Party democrats have to wait for an election year when their team isn't in power or the prior democrat reaches their term limit.

    That's the way the game is played. That might change one day if the age of the two-term president looks like it's over. Then the democrats will have to shift strategy to be more competitive, but that moment hasn't arrived.
     
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    Outside of Aldis here in Vermont today I signed 2 petitions from some Democrat organization for Cenk and Phillips to either get them in the debate/primary.
    I didn't read it carefully but saw Cenk Uygur and signed away...lol

    btw: I can't stand the old New Age harpy Marianne Willimson

     
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    The "gig" will be up in Jan 2029, after Joe attends the inauguration of President Gavin Newsom, then catches a train back to Wilmington...

    Also, today Joe sorta confirmed it was the Orange Scrotum who's forcing him to run.... so you know who to thank for 4 more years

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-hes-not-sure-230538591.html
     
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    I find your predictions of the future to be ...unlikely. I guess we'll see.
     
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    "Defenders of democracy."
     
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    Possibly more than anyone who posts routinely in this Forum, you can be depended upon to provide the rest of us with an accurate, down-to-earth view of what really goes on in Florida. Please, do continue.
     
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    'TYT is the First to Host all Democratic Challengers to President Joe Biden in Wednesday Debate Coverage'

    NEWS PROVIDED BY
    TYT
    December 05, 2023, 20:32 GMT


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    TYT to Host all Democratic Challengers to President Joe Biden on Wednesday

    TYT’s debate coverage will feature Democratic Presidential Candidates Marianne Williamson, Cenk Uygur, and Dean Phillips.


    TYT proudly stands as the first news network to provide an inclusive forum to all 2024 Democratic Presidential candidates.”
    — TYT Head of Programming, Judith Benezra
    LOS ANGELES, CA, USA, December 5, 2023 /EINPresswire.com/ -- America’s largest progressive news network - will be the first to host all Democratic challengers to current president Joe Biden as part of their coverage of the Fourth Republican Presidential Debate. TYT’s debate coverage will feature Democratic Presidential Candidates Marianne Williamson, Cenk Uygur, and Dean Phillips, giving them a platform to speak about their agenda, policy positions, and respond to the GOP debate in this unique coverage format.

    John Iadarola of The Damage Report will host TYT’s coverage. He shared, “While President Biden and the Democratic National Convention seem dead-set on denying the American people the opportunity to see all of the possible candidates mix it up in a debate, we're happy to hand them the microphone and let them react in real-time as Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley and the rest lay out their agenda on the GOP debate stage."


    cont:
    https://www.einpresswire.com/articl...sident-joe-biden-in-wednesday-debate-coverage
     
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    Probably true... he'll fly back to Delaware.... just thought the train scene added a nice touch...
     
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    I had the opportunity to vote for Trump in the 2020 Florida Republican primary. He had two opponents who didn’t amount to much. Hardly anybody had heard of them. I dare say such primaries were held in many states in 2020. They simply weren’t news worthy, so you didn’t hear about them.
     
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    Do us a favor Joe and pretend he ain't running.
    Com'on man, you can do it.

    'Biden says he's "not sure" he'd be running for reelection if Trump weren't'

    Source: CBS

    President Biden on Tuesday said he's "not sure" he would be running for reelection if former President Donald Trump were not also running.

    The presumptive Democratic nominee for president made the comments during a fundraiser in Boston.

    "If Trump wasn't running, I'm not sure I'd be running," the president said. "But we cannot let him win."

    No television cameras or microphones were allowed inside the event, but reporters traveling with the president were able to report on his comments.

    Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-not-sure-he-would-run-reelection-if-trump-werent/
     
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    So true. In fact they didn’t used to have a primary. Candidates were picked at the convention.
     

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