Democrats arm up for a big loss

Hillary conceded on election night.

And what your claiming about polls is ridiculous. If they were worthless, no one would spend big money on them.

 

Gore heavily contested the 2000 election, but he did not refuse to accept it by participating in a coup effort to unseat Bush43. He also conceded the election...... right before he didn't!

 

If Trump wins re-election and the Dems keep control of the House you can bet your bippy that impeachment will be back in the table.

 

I have no problem and very little concern with absentee mail-in balloting. In fact it is required by federal law. But mail-in voting by absentees or people unable to readily get to the polls is mostly tightly controlled and scrutinized. Carte blanche mail-in voting is wide open, has no effective controls and to claim that is does not pose a greater risk of fraud is totally illogical. Anyone who registers gets a mail-in ballot, no questions asked. And, as in many states, you don't even need an ID to show that your are legally registered, and in many states with mail-in voting there is no check or control how many times and where some anonymous person has registered.

How do you (are many election commissioners) know how many illegals have voted? Granted it is harder if one is an illegal but far from preposterous. No election officer with the least bit of sense is going to refuse a registration because the guy has an accent. He cannot even check nationality or legal status.

Legal or illegal, aliens have made a big electerol difference in many states, like Virginia and Colorado. Aliens characteristically vote 65% to 70% Democrat no matter what, which is why Democrats want open borders, direct paths to citizenship and no voter ID. It ain't rocket science.

 

How and by whom has the risk been shown to be negligible? That is like saying the risk of Team A fumbling the ball is negligible when Team A has yet to play a game. Are you claiming that the risk of fraud with carte blanche mail-in balloting is no greater the polling place balloting?

 

As I recall Hillary sent Podesta down to thank Hillary's supporters for their help, and it was reported Hillary was up in the suite crying, throwing things and cussing out Podesta and Bill, et al. Doesn't seem like much of a concession.

I didn't say polls were worthless. I said they weren't worth much. Lots of people and organizations pay big bucks for stuff that isn't worth much because, for a campaign, it's better than nothing, and for the media it will still attract viewers. But really bad polling data is legendary and ubiquitous.

 

Mail voting has been used since 1864. Attempts at fraud have been detected and prosecuted. The occurrence is miniscule.

 

Uh no. She conceded the election that night.

All polling organizations are not equal. Some are highly reliable. It doesn't matter. They work, or else campaigns would ignore them

 

Not carte blanche universal mail-in voting -- not even close..... not within light years. I don't know if you are just trying a slippery feign but we are not talking about the controlled absentee mail-in balloting.

 

Incorrect. Utah, Colorado, Washington and Oregon use "carte Blanche" voting.

There is no difference between the two, except in how the ballots are delivered. How they are delivered is irrelevant. It's what's done when they're returned that matters.

 

This is what I mean by not even close, though "light years" might be a stretch.

There is all the difference in the world with scrutinizing an application with attested information on it for a mail-in ballot, and just mass mailing ballots to every name of the registered rolls (including the deceased, moved away, multiple aliases, even pets), especially since registering to vote is becoming like buying a soda.

 

Four states report no problems. I'm sure the other 46 can do the same.

You're focussing on sending ballots to voters. Irrelevant, as I stated. Speaking of buying a soda, I can do so with a credit card, that I received without even a signature. I think those who check ballot signatures are qualified.

 

Maybe it's not rocket science; it's rather a very simple document called the United States Constitution.

Sorry but your language is totally off. "Aliens" who vote are no longer aliens. They are naturalized US citizens and whether you like it or not, they are as American as the two of us.

This said, I abhor illegal immigration and favor tight border controls, and no path to citizenship for illegal aliens (a path should remain for the LEGAL kind). But once a former legal immigrant alien becomes American, I'm all for granting to him/her all the rights ensured by the US Constitution, and if you think otherwise, you might want to re-read the Constitution.

I wouldn't mind voter ID either as long as it is not a vote-suppressing tool and every American with a right to vote is issued one, with no surgically targeted actions against minorities which got to be so outrageous that the Appellate Courts, later upheld by the Supreme Court struck them down and berated laws like the North Carolina Republicans' attempt to suppress the black vote.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...can-bid-to-revive-north-carolina-voter-id-law

This is a low dirty shame, and if you said that you don't approve of cheating by Republicans either, you should be strongly against it or else you're not being consistent.

This case has disclosed what is really behind these laws, and it is despicable.

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"No election officer with the least bit of sense is going to refuse a registration because the guy has an accent" - and they shouldn't, unaccented English not being a constitutional requirement for US citizenship. But they WILL deny it if the person is not a citizen of the United States.

"How do you (are [sic] many election commissioners) know how many illegals have voted?"

The burden of proof is on you. I'm not the one saying that illegal aliens have voted. You are. Prove it. Trump's infamous committee couldn't find anything, and self-dissolved. Do you somehow have proof? If yes, present it. Trump will be delighted; he'll give you a medal. You'll be the first person able to prove it, even though senators and representative have tried, and found nothing. I doubt that you will do it, thought, because you can't prove something that is not happening.

Again, falsely stating that one is a citizen in electoral forms is a federal felony with penalty of imprisonment and illegal aliens lay low and are simply not interested in this kind of thing. This fear of illegal aliens voting is a solution in search of a problem because the problem doesn't exist.

Our system has functioned well for hundreds of year with extremely rare and statistically insignificant fraud.

Yes, it would be desirable to have voter photo IDs just to get this constant and unsubstantiated whining by the GOP out of the way once and for all, PROVIDED that AMPLE assurances were found that EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN ELIGIBLE VOTER was issued such IDs, preferably free of charge. Like, you register to vote and as part of the registration process you send in a head shot, your citizenship is verified, and you're issued a voter ID for free, which is mailed to you. Then you present it at the precinct to vote. Fine. But this process needs to be active and the other way around, that is, the electoral authorities are the ones issuing the ID and making sure the voter gets it, no passively waiting for people to show up with narrowly defined IDs, given that some of our perfectly eligible but humble citizens may have some trouble getting the required forms of ID.

If what you are worried about is voter fraud and NOT voter suppression then you'll favor my suggestion above.

If you start the whining that "why can't these people just go to the DMV and get an ID?" then you are not interested in voting integrity; you're interested in voting suppression. It's as simple as that. Right back at you: it ain't rocket science.

I have NEVER seen a G.O.P.-initiated voter ID law coupled with provisions to actually actively issue these IDs to voters. Interesting, right? Seems like what they claim to be the problem is not exactly what they are trying to solve.

 

We definitely need a new house just as we need another 4 years!

 

Complete and utter NONSENSE!

States like Oregon ONLY do mail-in balloting and it WORKS highly effectively.

If it can be done in Oregon it can be done nationwide. There is ZERO requirement to have to stand in line just to exercise your right to vote.

 

Agreed but just wanted to make the point that EVERYONE, including illegal aliens, under the jurisdiction of the Law of the Land are entitled to all of the rights ensured by the Constitution EXCEPT for the rights RESERVED for citizens ONLY which are voting, sitting on juries and becoming POTUS.

 

Curious: how can they know they don't have a problem? Not having a problem and reporting that they don't have a problem are totally different things.

 

Yeah, that was a bad choice if words. But the pertinent question is how do the state and local officials know the voters are citizens?

For the record I am not impressed in the least on court characterization of voter ID requirements, and the more they pontificate and bloviate the less impressed I get.

 

You know that how, exactly? You know there is no fraud with Oregon's voting how, exactly?

 

Because all of the cases investigated to date are unintentional MISTAKES as opposed to DELIBERATE attempts at voter fraud such as occurred with a REPUBLICAN candidate in NC.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics...oter-fraud-in-2016-presidential-election.html

 

Everyone knows democrats cheat in elections. Hence the delayed results in 2018 races.

 

You did not (could not?) answer the question.

 

That YOU did NOT read the link I provided is NOT my problem.

 

If she's not too busy polishing her resume

I can see it now.

"2019-2020; Eye candy liar for Greatest Mistake To Ever Become A World Leader. Experienced at Lying, dissembling, dissimulating, falsifying, fibbing, inventing, prevarication, misstating, misrepresentation, and supporting insane delusions. Also sucks a mean mushroom-shaped member and can arrange personal three ways with temperamental east European porn models"

 

Agreed, but what I was getting at, was the other poster's language "aliens vote Democrat 70%" and that's not true because those "aliens" who vote are no longer aliens, but rather, naturalized US citizens. It bothered me for someone to keep referring to them as aliens, which I hear as a form of discrimination on basis of national origin, which is a protected class. All US citizens are citizens and not aliens, regardless of having been born here, or born abroad of a US citizen, or born aboard of a non-US citizen but then becoming a naturalized American. By the way, naturalized Americans do lack the right to run for president, but that's the only one they lack.