Democrats Call For FBI Probe Of Parler, Censorship Of Conservatives Reaching CRIMINAL Level

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Do you find it acceptable for companies to discriminate based on ideology?

    Did you watch the video btw? Did you see the lengths that they're going to in order to keep Parler down? Including banning any site that uses a DDos protection company (protects against DDoS attacks...the most common way for hackers to bring down a site) just because it's based in Russia? And that is all the company is based on. Protection against DDoS attacks. Even claiming that because of that one link that they are linked to Russia and therefore Russian assets.
     
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    Big companies colluded to crush Parler, a small new competitor in social media, that is illegal. Or used to be before the ascendance of the corrupt corporate-government establishment. Now the antitrust laws, among the more important federal laws IMO, are bribed away by large powerful interests.

    Collusion Definition (investopedia.com)

    Collusion can occur among any parties, not necessary to be a company. Politicians joining in with corporate interests to agree to crush Parler for example would qualify.
     
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    So you're just against Freedom of Association. You seem to want to FORCE private companies to associate with
    businesses they don't want to associate with. You want to FORCE businesses to host speech they find offensive.
    What ever happened to the Free Speech of, "No."
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Do you know what it takes to set up your own servers? Did you know that they can still be blocked?
     
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    You don't think it's OK for companies to discriminate based on ideology? You think Muslim radicals should be able to force Fox News to air an anti-American video?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Somehow I doubt that you think the same with AA laws. Do you? So long as we have AA laws then I have no problem banning companies from discriminating based on ideologies. After all....green is the only language that should matter right?
     
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    Angry Alligator laws are serious business down here in Florida.
     
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    I know what collusion is. I've been accused of it. It sounds like Parler may have a restraint of trade action it can pursue. In the meantime, sounds like some innovation is in order.
     
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    Fox news has never touted itself as a platform. Nor has any other news site. They are considered publishers. When they start touting themselves as platforms like Twitter et al then you can get back to me.

    And like I said, free speech is about letting those you disagree with speak. So, if Islamic extremists want to spout thier crap let them. So long as it breaks no laws I don't care.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So nothing. Got it.
     
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    Yes, and yes. Sounds like some investors and some innovators are just what thrme doctor ordered. Also, I might recommend folks who are disenchanted with Apple, Google, and Amazon find other places to spend their money. Perhaps losing 75 million customers will send a message?
     
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    I agree with the sentiment but need to point out the two are not necessarily analogous. A broadcaster that creates its own content =/= a platform with almost entirely user-generated content.
     
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    It breaks no laws for private companies to decide they aren't hosting speech they disagree with - so why
    do you want to FORCE them to do so?
     
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    Can you quote where Parler is responsible for for inciting or planning attacks? They aren't of course. Which makes your argument not relevant.

    In point of fact Parler is working with the FBI to identify the users that used its services to conduct such planning. Additionally Parler has express rules that forbid such illegal conduct.
     
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    I've already explained why. So long as AA laws exist then a person's political ideology should be protected as well. So long as they break no laws that is.

    Why do you think the government is forbidden from interfering with free speech? The same reasoning applies here.
     
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    I have set up my own servers, its quite possible.

    But if a company is posting illegal material, fees.the hosting complany becomes liable if the company like Parler won't police those rules.

    But there are 10s of thousands hosting companies around the world, and Parler was paying Amazon abour $300,000 for the hosting.

    There are tons of companies would love that accounr. And the idiocy of Parler to not have full backups and backup hosting with a backup company just for crashes is that owner being utterly incompetent and certainly venal by not using some of his profits to do a good job, that is how Right Wing companies usually operates to pocket the prifits and wibe and cry and ask for donations from his suckers, er, uh, customers!

    Pathetic!
     
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    No court is going to buy your Affirmative Action = political ideology argument. They're not that stupid.
     
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    Easy to say isn't it? Much harder to do. Especially when those companies dominate the field so much that just to get started you have to go through them. And they design thier algorithms to put you at the bottom if the list unless you already know who it is you're looking for.

    And since they control the flow of information, along with the media's help it's not hard for them to give a company that dares challenge them a bad rep.

    The idea of "just make your own servers" was once a doable thing. Now....you need a lot more than that.
     
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    Who said anything about courts? Do you think advocating for something automatically means the courts use it or something? Silliness.

    Just add political ideology to existing AA laws. If you believe in free speech for everyone then you should have no problem with this. You DO support free speech don't you? So long as it breaks no laws of course? Or do you support de-platforming for those that have differing political ideologies?
     
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    How did you make this post?
    Aren't you shut down?
     
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    Antifa and BLM used parler also.
    Which group is targeted?
     
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    Free markets. You still support that?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    No they are not. Section 230 remember? A good enough law when it was made. Now it needs tweaking to differentiate publishers vs platforms and what it means to be each of those.
     
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    Parler is attributed as being conservative. That some leftwing groups were there also doesn't change that. It was that which got Parler targeted. Not leftist ideology.
     
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