Democrats demanding USA has Mexico's murder rate

Many Democrats demand that private gun ownership be banned. You read it all over this forum and in the media.

Private ownership of guns is essentially banned in Mexico. Private ownership of guns is legal in the USA. Many Democrats demand the USA follow the Mexican prohibit on guns.

What is the difference? Mexico's murder rate is over 400% higher per population than the USA.
http://time.com/5111972/mexico-murder-rate-record-2017/
https://www.google.com/search?q=USA.....69i57j0l5.3254j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

When Australia outlawed much of private gun ownership, gun murder rates soared until Australia DOUBLED the number of police. Even then, violent crimes went up and the suicide rate did NOT drop.

"Make America Mexico" seems the Democratic Party's model for everything. To have Mexico's murder and crime rate, to have Mexico's poverty and to have Mexico's corrupt government.

 

Think of how wonderful that will be for your growth industry, privatized corporate for profit prisons.

 

Almost all first world nations that have restrictive gun laws have a murder rate that is far lower than in the US.

Even in Mexico you do not have kids doing mass shootings in schools. The reason for mexico's high murder rate has nothing to do with its gun laws and everything to do with political corruption.

 

So these murders are being committed without guns?

 

False
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

 

The usual vintage of unsubstantiated assertion, outright lies and reality denying woo.

 

You can defend gun ownership without resorting to moronic hyperbole. Try it sometime.

 

Huh ? Mexican gangs have plenty of guns despite gun laws. The reason for the high murder rate is not some big secret .. it is because of political corruption which has allowed these gangs to flourish.

What is nonsense is that Mexico's restrictive gun laws were responsible for the high murder rate.

 

Well you seem to making the argument that gun laws are not a factor in a nation's murder rate.

OK

 

Mexico has a completely different culture and level of society and you simply can't compare a very poor country to a rich one like that. You would have to compare the US to other first-world countries with gun bans they have much lower murder rates. But even in this situation we have to try to look at culture and whether that explains the difference. Your claim that democrats want high murder rates is an out right lie and based on a fallacious premise.

 

There is no shortage of either gangs or political corruption in the USA. Try some other reasoning.

 

Nope ... they are not a factor in Mexico's murder rate. In general however ..as per my previous post, the fact that the majority of first world nations having more restrictive gun laws seems to have led to a lower rate of gun crime - and certainly we do not see nearly as many of these mass shootings in schools.

This does not mean that there are not other factors .... such as population and other cultural issues.

What is true is that it is a heck of alot more difficult for a kid to get a hold of an assault rifle in most first world nations.

 

Huh ? The US also has a higher murder rate due to gangs .. although not as high as Mexico.

Also .. the kind of political corruption in Mexico - where the Gov't acts in conjunction with the gangs - is not the kind of political corruption here.

False dichotomy - o - rama.

 

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You sure like to make things up eh? PROVE it that Switzerland requires its citizens to own guns. You can't because you and your ilk made it all up.

 

Which has universal healthcare and higher education for all and is not a shithole nation as a result?

 

? most first world nations do not pay for higher education but all have universal healthcare ... and they are not ****-holes.

The ones that do pay such as Norway Finland, Sweden and Germany are not ****-holes.

 

"Most" huh, swell. Don can't figure out why they're not coming to this shithole with neither.

 

Oh God! Every time I read these absurd arguments, I am reminded of how the right is so locked in their media bubble, that pointing them in the direction of the Real World is a futile task.

But I'll try anyway....

When the Wingnut media feeds you this idiotic crap, do they point out that the U.S. and Mexico are different countries? That Mexico is an underdeveloped country with a huge drug trafficking issue while the U.S. is a "developed" country with a huge drug consumptions issue (including consumption of the right-wing media alluccigenic)

Suicide? What the hell does "suicide" have to do with this problem???? If this guy in South Florida had killed himself before killing 17 kids, hundreds of people affected directly by this tragedy would be much happier today than they actually are!

I feel that tagging this argument you hear on right-wing media daily as "idiotic" is almost a praise!

Do you know how many mass killings (defined as one with 5 or more dead) there have been in Australia in the last 21 years?

Look it up! But not in wingnut media. You're unlikely to find it there. Educate yourself for a change...

The purpose of sensible gun legislation on assault weapons is not to stop suicides, it's not to stop the guy whose wife went to a motel with another guy to kill them both, it's not to stop a drug dealer from shooting the client who wouldn't pay for their drugs.... Those are great goals... but it's not the purpose of what we propose. The only purpose is to stop as many mass shootings as is humanly possible....

 

The decay of the State of the Union, particularly over the last 3 decades, is depressing.

 

So gun laws work in the first world, but no where else...that's an interesting angle I've not heard of before. And yet...



...54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders. So even in First World USA, gun law's effectiveness seems...uneven.

 

As I stated in my previous posts - availability of Guns is just one factor.
There is no "silver bullet" answer to this question. In some places even the Police do not normally carry guns.

I am not against someone owning a gun in general but, it is stupid to think there is not an issue with mixing booze and guns -allowing patrons to carry guns into bars. Even during the "wild West" in dodge city you had to check your gun at the city gate.

 

I admit, I don't get the connection to the either the US or Mexico's murder rate and carrying a gun into bars. I don't think that's much of a factor in the US murder rate. Is that the case for Mexico?

 

Demographics matter.