Congress hurtles toward shutdown

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HAHAHAHAH!

    Boy whoda thunk that plotting two different data sets on the same graph could be interpreted as you just have?

    Get back to me when you understand the underlying data sets that your point obviously ignores.

    You aren't very good at this propaganda thing, unless reaching your gullible tribe members. then I bet you are a pistol.
     
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  2. rahl

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    A vote for this CR requires 60 votes. McConnell chose to not use reconciliation for a budge bill, which would have required 51 votes.

    Where are you getting lost?

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/introduction-to-budget-reconciliation
     
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  3. btthegreat

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    Seriously, your nothing but a parrot.

    Ever heard of supplemental spending bills....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html
     
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    Actually McConnel couldn’t use reconciliation for this budget. The Byrd rule only allows one spending bill per fiscal year to use reconciliation, and the right choose to use that on the tax bill last month.
     
  6. rahl

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    Politics. The GOP base can now pretend that the democrats shut down the government, when in fact it is republicans that did so. With reconciliation, every single democrat could have voted no, and republicans could still have passed a budget bill.
     
  7. rahl

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    nope, that is not what the byrd rule says.

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/introduction-to-budget-reconciliation
     
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  8. Bluesguy

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    Seriously you have nothing of substance to add once again.

    Try refuting the facts.

    Absolutely false and recall the war was over when Obama moved to the White House and he retreat and brought the troops home. The last Republican deficit in 2007 was just $161B and the appropriation for the war that year was $88B. Tax revenues soared after the tax rate cuts were fully implemented hitting a 15% increase in 2007.

    Total Government Receipts and Outlays
    Receipts Outlays Deficit/Surplus
    2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701

    And if you have something to say then say it, I don't go chasing links especially ones that require you pay for them.
     
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  9. Bluesguy

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    No pretending except by you, the vote was quite clear.

    Now what about your claim Bush should have vetoed the Democrats 2007 budget?
     
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    I was wrong about the chronology. They have not yet used the reconciliation process but they will need to. They do not have time/votes to construct a final budget that will benefit from the reconciliation process, and they only get one bite at that apple. They needed the sixty votes to close debate on the motion to consider the CR to fund the government until they can negotiate their way to the 51 vote majority reconciliation bull.

    In essence we are at the same place. They needed Dem votes to fund the government for a few months so that they could construct something permanent so that the something permanent did not require the 60 votes so this is the point at which Dems have sufficient leverage to alter the progression and content.
     
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    Nope so support your claim Bush could have vetoed the Democrats 2007 budget.
     
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    No it's not, the vote was quite clear and the government is shut down when it didn't have to be.
     
  13. Zorro

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    You can only raise the debt ceiling once a fiscal year with reconciliation. If it hasn't already been used, why use it for a short term increase?

    Further, raising the ceiling is solemn business, we can wait until a few Democrats are ready to reopen the federal government.
     
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    It cracks me up (and pisses me off) every time I hear a Rightie utter phrases like "homeless, our kids on the streets" or "our veterans and our elderly" as they proceed apace to utterly DESTROY ALL protections FOR those groups.

    HOMELESS? Destroy the camps, defund the shelters, shut down food banks.
    KIDS on STREETS? Private prisons, school to prison pipelines, retraining cops to shoot first, ask questions later.
    VETERANS? Privatize and/or voucherize VA health care, defund homeless veteran outreach services, CUT compensation to disabled and elderly disabled vets. (That is ABOUT to happen right now - see https://www.military.com/daily-news...benefit-cut-angers-elderly-disabled-vets.html )
    ELDERLY? Defund Meals on Wheels, shut off LIHEAP (heating assistance for seniors) cut or privatize Social Security.


    I am so sick of seeing the steaming pile of parrot droppings and utter foul codswallop spewing from their hypocritical gaping maws of BS. I wonder how it is they don't get poisoned by the stench of their own lies.
     
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    What's the hurry? If we have to wait until a few Democrats are on board to reopen the government, what's the harm in that?
     
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    What a mindless rant.
     
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    so in other words, republicans chose to shut down the government. thank you.
     
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    so in the end, republicans shut down the government.
     
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    We can wait until a couple handfuls of Democrats are on-board before we reopen the Federal government. What's the rush?
     
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    As soon as a few Democrats are ready, we can reopen it.
     
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    Both are plotted from the First January of their respective terms. If you wish to plot them differently, by all means do so. But, what will still remain true is that Obama was good at growing debt, Trump is good at growing GDP.
     
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    a working government.
     

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